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Usability of 10.3.9 in 2017

When you start comparing modern tablets/cell phones to an elderly computer the difference in performance for things like video playing is often actually even more in favor of the ARM device than the benchmarks would imply because such devices usually have embedded hardware acceleration specifically for tasks like video decoding. Sure, some PC video cards have similar hardware, but in the case of an old system it might not help with modern codecs or be well supported by newer drivers... etc.

In the case of a G3/G4 verses the Raspberry Pi I suppose the *optimistic* way of looking at it is that if you were strictly comparing core-to-core and mhz-for-mhz the old Motorola chips don't come off that terrible; the iBook SE's PPC750 only runs at 466mhz while the Pi Zero is running at 1ghz, and with Powerbook G4 that's a 1.67ghz single-core machine verses a quad 1.2ghz so... sure, the ARM cores have measurably worse IPC (IE, each core in the Pi 3 is about half as fast as the G4). But then you flip it back around and see that the four cores in a Pi 3 running flat out together pull at max about 3.5 watts, verses over 20 watts for the *one* G4 and, yeah, you have to admit defeat. Moore's Law gets you every time.

 
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Even my cheap as dirt cell phone has a dual core 1.2ghz processor and would probably be faster then most old ancient single core desktop machines.

Also how much add blocking/data collecting is going on with mobile browsers by default (that is what pretty much slows down an old PC on the internet).

 
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Gorgonops, you bring up an excellent point. I have customers all the time who tell me their phone is faster than their PC. Once customer who said this was running a Dual-Core AMD from 2008 with 4 GB of ram and Windows XP 32 Bit. XP only could see about 3.3 GB of this, of course. To his credit, he WAS running a current version of Firefox for his web browser. But he complained that even with minimal processes running, youtube videos and facebook were "dog slow". He mentioned his LG G5 was much "faster". I have never quite understood this myself and I didn't have an answer for him
XP will see less then 3.3GB depending on the RAM your video card uses. For example I have an 8800 GTS SLI in an XP box and usable RAM is in the 2GB+ range with 4GB installed. If you have a 1GB video card expect that to eat into the RAM available.

 
even with everything being said, I don't see droves of PPC diehards abandoning their macs in disgust, and saying "All I need is my Pi!"

 
If you have legit software then why ditch what works. It used to be people clung to the platform they knew and had software for. If you go linix and free software then it doesn't matter much which platform you run it on. Software used to cost a mint.

 
1. USB optical drive (works alright)

2. USB converter (not ideal)

3. who cares (I install from optical, but if that's the only reason keeping me, I'm being silly)

4. Composite's there, and late stage CRTs have DVI/HDMI.

 
Hook it up with a KVM switch? Not sure how useful a RPi would be as a co-processor

 
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It can provide a wifi connection by usb, and you can even (slowly) run X apps through an SSH tunnel.

VNC Would probably be better, but I haven't tried it on the iBook yet.

 
Not sure what you mean by it can provide wifi over USB, are you talking about some sort of A to A receptical cable? Also a RPi does not have wifi, so might as well plug your Wifi adaptor directly into your PowerPC macintosh. Yeah you can run X apps through ssh tunnel- a very very cool thing too. Anyway you said it was slow, so might as well use XQuartz on OS 10 to run it.

 
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The Pi 3 and Pi Zero W both have integrated WiFi. With the right software configuration, one could have the Pi Zero W act as a "smart" WiFi dongle, where it takes care of connecting to WPA AES encrypted networks transparently to the Mac OS. It simply would appear as a USB Ethernet dongle to the Mac. It likely could be configured to consume significantly less than 500ma and be powered by the Mac's USB port.

 
Original RPi doesn't have wifi. The model 3 version does. No SATA, though. Some of the Orange Pi boards have SATA, but they're not as friendly to get up and running (you have to go through some pretty absurd shenanigans to get it to run in something other than the default 1920x1080 resolution.)

 
Most of the Orange Pi boards with SATA don't have it implemented at the SoC level - They use a USB to SATA bridge, sometimes on the same hub as all of the USB ports and Ethernet. I encountered one that looked great: SATA and GbE, but looking at the block diagram, both were on a USB hub along with the three USB ports. That hub was on a single USB 2.0 high speed link to the SoC. Definitely not ideal for throughput. I think the exception is some of the Orange Pi boards based on the A20 SoC. If proper SATA is important, a SBC based on the Marvell Armada SoC might be a good option.

 
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Ah. That's not a huge shock, it seems like everything on these little ARM SBCs uses USB under the hood for everything off of the SOC itself.

 
Still, I'd rather sit and use a dual 800 running panther, install commercial software from optical discs, and run Panther, than ever use a Rpi.    I have bought an Rpi each generation they come out, and fail to get excited about any of them.  Mac OS is way prettier no matter how old it is.

 
The Pi 3 and Pi Zero W both have integrated WiFi. With the right software configuration, one could have the Pi Zero W act as a "smart" WiFi dongle, where it takes care of connecting to WPA AES encrypted networks transparently to the Mac OS. It simply would appear as a USB Ethernet dongle to the Mac. It likely could be configured to consume significantly less than 500ma and be powered by the Mac's USB port.
This.

The pi zero W has built in wifi and is very comfortable running off a usb port while providing routed internet through the gadget ethernet interface.

I have never said about using a Pi to replace or even compare to a PowerPC mac, just saying they can be useful in providing functionality while you get to keep the aesthetics and whatever else from your Mac.

 
Still, I'd rather sit and use a dual 800 running panther, install commercial software from optical discs, and run Panther, than ever use a Rpi.
For the record, the reason I brought up the Pi was simply to point out that the old saw we used to read in computer books in the 80's about how early landmark machines like ENIAC were "less powerful than a pocket calculator" essentially applies to PowerPC Macs, so from a certain perspective it's a little absurd to complain too loud about how well they perform today. Obviously a $5-35 Raspberry Pi isn't as nice and featureful desktop computer as an old PowerPC Mac; a $12,000 Kawasaki Ninja motorcycle isn't as comfortable a ride as 1932 Duesenberg Model J (inflation-adjusted price approximately $360,000), but the fact remains that the Ninja will handily outperform it.

(And, of course, a modern vehicle that cost $360,000 today will embarass said Duesenberg far worse, just like how a $2,500 PC *today* will utterly crush your dual 800mhz G4.)

 
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