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Soo... I left the Portable plugged in, it got warm, now it won't start

I was mucking about with the Portable a couple days ago, and then left it plugged in with a M5140 adapter. FYI, it has a shot battery, and it needs to be recapped - parts are on the way.

When I came back to it today, it was warm to the touch - not sure if it was radiating out from the battery, but basically the whole logic board was warm. And it wouldn't start after several resets - no response. It flickered once, but nothing since. I've disassembled it to do some quick tests, but I thought I'd pop in here to see if anyone has some insight. I know this thing is sensitive - I'm a little freaked that I may have caused some damage...

 
Also, trying to run with a bad battery is a potential disaster for the Portable as the power sub-system doesn't fail safe and can send high voltage down the +5V line killing chips.

 
Ahhhh that's what I didn't want to hear but feared. I have a battery in the mail, but I'm not expecting anything positive just from that. Either way, a recap is imminent, if that doesn't do anything I'll start looking closer at that +5V line. This forum has some really excellent resources, I gotta say.  What a treasure.

 
And the power adapter is putting out 8.5 volts you mentioned. Along with bad caps, and a bad battery? 

Weeee. I hope you are a betting man, but the odds are against you. 

 
Not a betting man, expecting the worst. My eagerness clouding better judgment... Thanks goodness for this forum, just wish I had visited sooner.

 
Quick update: solid adapter, new battery, recapped / cleaned board...  powered up and chimed then blew the SWIM, pop and smoke. I suspect it was toast from earlier. I don't have a donor board handy - does the Portable require a model-specific SWIM or will one from say an LC or compact work? I understand that the VIA and also the 74AC157/10/02 IC's can go as well, haven't checked them yet, but I already have replacements in case (not the VIA).

 
OK, overall seems like a best-case scenario considering what I stupidly caused. 5v and 12v rails are solid at 5.2 and 11.96 respectively on battery alone, so I'm feeling confident for the moment that the Hybrid is unscathed. I removed the SWIM and it reliably boots and resets with a chime and a uniform screen, and interrupt provides the two chimes and sad mac as expected.

All I need then - it would seem - is a replacement SWIM...

If I remember correctly, It has been suggested in other posts that SWIMs from other models may work... is this the case? Where can / should I find a replacement SWIM?

 
Well, some progress but not out of the woods just yet. SWIM is in, boots to floppy question mark icon, and I can boot to whatever off floppy - in this case 6.0.5.

However, HDD doesn't even try to spin up. Checked voltages on J18, +12's are 11.96 steady, but the DISK_+5's are inconsistent around 3.26 (inconsistent meaning fluctuating a few 100th's, e.g. 3.24-3.30V). +5's elsewhere on the board are steady at 5.2, which what I'm assuming the DISK_+5's should be (?). Voltage from the battery is currently steady 6.28 (and dropping a little of course).

When I leave the machine on for a bit the voltages on that DISK_+5 line (measured at Q20 pin 2 (drain), C20, and J18-23, 24, 33, 34) slowly climb. I saw it as high as 4.7, still fluctuating. When I shut it down for a while, it drops back down to 3.2 or so. I've attached a crop from the relevant part of the schematic for reference.

FWIW R161 is reading low (~700K instead of 1M), but that's in circuit (not sure it would matter in this case?).

To be frank, I'm not sure how this all works - I have no electronics background to speak of, this is a new hobby - so I'm just poking at what's nearby. But I'm not sure if his is a chip issue or a Hybrid issue... Seems unlikely to me and my hunch is that there may be an issue with Q20 and/or R161 since everything else before that seems fine. Anyone have any ideas or insight?

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then Q20 is probably bad. You could always do continuity tests between Q20 back to Q24, and check the voltages at Q24. 

 
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Alright, I put in a new IRF9Z30 into Q20, and it seemed to make a little difference; smoothed voltage out a little, brought it up to maybe 4.2V. So I reflowed the connections at Q25, Q25, R24, and R25 since they were looking pretty scuzzy, and it seemed to improve things even more dramatically - DISK_+5 is now reading about 4.7V, and pretty steady. (I also rechecked R161, as I was thinking of swapping it for the same rated component, but it was suddenly reading 970k, so that's obviously not an issue any more...)

So I figured I'd give it a shot. I attached everything there on the bench and it *will* boot to the HDD, but after some labouring. Takes a few tries to get spinning. Once it's spinning though, it seems to operate normally, and restart normally. So that's somewhat promising.

However, it's clearly still not getting enough power. 4.7V isn't enough, so there's a drag somewhere. I just don't know where. Now I'm looking at Q24 or perhaps the OP20 at U7M... somewhere in that SCSI power enable logic circuit (see attached image)... maybe take it all the way back to C25/C26, pull those up check for crap... maybe this is all just parasitic. I just don't know what the voltages are supposed to be anywhere along that chain.

There are other, perhaps (un)related issues:

- there's a static/noise in the speaker, like there's an open ground somewhere or something. If I don't have the HDD connected, the noise becomes a quiet squeal when the floppy icon appears (when the voltage on the Sony IC's drops from 12 down to 4.x). I happened to discover that touching certain pins with a lead makes it louder or change: pin 1 of Q20, pin 2 of Q16, and especially pin 3 of the OP20 IC right above the part number on the Hybrid. I reflowed the pins on that OP20, but it didn't change anything. Maybe this is simply because I have the board on my bench. I'll see if it changes once I put it in the case. I suppose it could also be residual electrolytic somewhere.

- Trying to load the Battery control panel gives me an error --- "The application "unknown" has unexpectedly quit, because an error of type 2 occurred" (see attached image) --- is that a memory address issue??? The app starts - the little bar shows up for a second - then quits. Every time. The lightning bolt never appears. Other control panels work fine. I fear this may be related to the Hybrid.

At this point, it seems sensible to just to go around and reflow anything suspicious. I also understand that reflowing the components on the Hybrid is recommended, so I guess that's on the menu.

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Where did you get that color schematic above for the Hybrid??

BTW The hybrid and PMGR ICs are known weak spots in this machine. It can also equivalently be an open or bad trace somewhere. 

 
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Wow, how did I not know this existed.... 

Anyways, I dont use KiCAD, I use Eagle. But regardless, I need to go through the PDF and check it out, I am already finding issues with it, the real semiconductor values for the transistors arnt there, missing inductance values, etc. 

 
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