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Solid State Hard Drives - Anyone Taken The Plunge?

I wondered about that - these are definitely SATAs. And yet, I think the original link from Low End Mac led me to believe that they could work in Pismos.

Well, that could cool me down...

 
Here is the link:

http://www.lowendmac.com/bookrev/11br/0107.html

And this was the operative text that got me going (scroll down on the page to see):

OWC Mercury Legacy Pro SandForce Based IDE/ATA SSD for Mac and PC NotebooksPR: Other World Computing (OWC) has announced its new Mercury Legacy Pro Solid State Drive (SSD) line as the first and fastest SandForce processor based SSD available for pre-Intel PowerPC based Mac notebooks, PCs, and other notebook/laptop computers that utilize an internal 2.5" sized IDE/ATA drive. This announcement establishes OWC as the most comprehensive US manufacturer of industry leading SandForce processor based SSDs available today with OWC Mercury Pro brand SSD models available for nearly every Mac and PC produced over the past decade. OWC will be demonstrating the new Mercury Legacy Pro and other first-to-market OWC Mercury Pro SSDs in booth #3935, LVCC North Hall, at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES), in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Fastest 2.5" IDE/ATA Drive Available for Legacy Notebooks/Laptops

With performance up to 41x faster than today's traditional hard drives, the OWC Mercury Legacy Pro offers users of Mac and PC notebook, laptop, and computers that utilize an internal 2.5" sized IDE/ATA drive the fastest internal drive performance available today. It eliminates tedious drive spin up wait time and delayed system responsiveness by providing near instant data access, system boots, and app loads.

 
Thanks, AF. Yeah, I'd gotten to that page, but hadn't bookmarked it.

That 40 gb is my only hope. I suppose it'll be $150 or thereabouts. Sigh. I wonder how long that drive would last...

 
I would say with a Pismo those drives would be deep into "diminishing returns" territory so far as cost-effective upgrades go. For the price of even the smallest one you're not that far away from a working Aluminum G4 Powerbook, which even with a "normal" drive is going to be so much faster on every other count...

 
You also have to deal with the built in IDE controller that has a low limit on transfer speed. Those SSD drives are good for last generation IDE machine with ATA 100/133.

Most times you are better off maxing RAM then getting a faster HD on older gear.

 
Well, shoot, you guys have given me good advice and talked me down. Even more than the speed, having the nice drive stability was a plus. I probably would be better off just finding a higher speed (7200?) regular new HDD in the 40gb range that I can use for the Pismo I'm going to write on. Most of the drives I have are about at the ten to eleven year old mark. I'm going to be backing up the novel daily anyway, so I suppose the price really does outweigh any advantage.

I have a lot of RAM that I swap around in the Pismos as I use different ones...most of them have 512 or 768MB...one of these days I will get around to a 1GB maxout just to see if any better than the 768.

 
Would one of those work in a Mac Mini G4? I didn't see it listed under the compatible systems, but I would assume that it would work anyway as I believe the G4 Minis were IDE, Right?

 
For what it's worth, regarding the life of modern SSDs -- the anecdotal thing I've heard is that you could be rewriting the entire drive for more or less your entire lifetime and use less than half of the total write cycles the drive has on any given area. Although without wear leveling... well, the SSD will still rocking well after we're all gone.

I have a SATA SSD in my modern laptop and although I don't know if I would've paid for it at retail price (I got it in the weirdest trade ever) I have been extremely happy with it, in terms of weight, battery life, durability, and mainly durability and enhanced peace of mind.

Putting one in a pismo would yield low power usage and high durability, but it would be of questionable overall value unless your pismo were in pretty fantastic overall shape.

 
I'm still waiting on the 40gb price from OWC...I do love the Pismo as a writing machine and I have a number of them, so if one fails, I could just swap the SSD drive around...may still be worth getting one for the writing work. The lower power consumption would be a nice plus...

There's just something about the ergonomics of the Pismos...I'll keep using them as long as I can, I guess.

 
The closest I have come is to use an 8 GB Compact Flash card with a CF-IDE adapter. For general usage it's ok, but a little slow on writes. Currently it's running CrunchBang 10 with swap disabled on a Jetway Via C7 1ghz board.

While having an SSD would be nice, its a bit out of my price range right now.

 
I have a MacBook Air, and the solid state drive was one of the reasons I chose to buy it. I love the speed and silence of the drive, and the Air feels every bit as snappy as my slightly faster (processor-wise) MacBook.

I'm considering solid state drives for both my MacBook and my old tangerine iBook, although the MacBook is contingent on higher-capacity drives falling in price. The iBook's hard drive is over ten years old and saw daily use for a number of years, plus the capacity is only 6GB. As long as I can be guaranteed it will function fine with OS 9, I'd rather upgrade that one first (although installing it will admittedly be somewhat of a pain--anyone who's replaced a hard drive on a clamshell knows about this gut-wrenching process).

 
For older PowerBooks and iBooks, I know a number of people who have successfully used CF with an adapter. In low capacities (under 20GB or so) they are not too expensive, and are faster than the HDDs Apple put in those machines. But I think the shelf life of a CF card is considerably less than the solid state HDDs that are available.

 
Compact Flash and some of the other cheaper forms of flash media (as opposed to NAND and whatever other forms of "real" solid state media) are theoretically (and I believe this has been more or less proven) good for an absolutely unlimited number of read cycles, but not so good in write-heavy environments. They last a long time when you write to the whole card once in awhile and then read out the data frequently (music players) or if you write-in then read-out most or all of the card sequentially (cameras) and should hypothetically be good with data you need to write then maybe read a few times (installers, archives) but aren't necessarily good when you're going to rewrite a portion of the filesystem over and over again, repeatedly (swapfiles.)

TL;DR version is that it should work well but you might want to get more ram and run with virtual memory disabled.

The biggest thing I'd say is that unless you put a lot of money into it, CF cards in reasonable capacities are actually very slow. We replaced my girlfriend's iPod (80gb 5.5 gen) hard disk with a CF card and she almost immediately noticed how much slower it was loading new files into the device than the hard disk or the previous iPod she'd had (20 or 30gb iPod 4th gen.) Once the media was on there, the CF was fast enough to keep up with playing back songs and videos. I don't know how this compares with some of the hard disks that shipped in laptops in, say, 1999 or earlier. The further back you go, the less it'll matter, of course, but it may be noticeable in a G3, especially one that's lower on memory in such a way that you can't really disable virtual memory. (Or where you want to run some higher-performance OS 9 apps, although that may be a slightly inappropriate use of an iBook anyway, so who knows.)

As another data point/observation: I have two of the slowest available 32gb CF cards you can buy. The first was for that iPod I mentioned above, and the second was for my dSLR, because my camera has a huuuuuge buffer, so I've never noticed how slow the card is. I'm pretty sure both times the card was between $50 and $70. Once I bought from newegg and the other was either newegg or ebay. You can get a faster card than that by going for 4 or 8gb and then moving up a speed teir or three.

 
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