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So, Beige G3's.

Beige G3 DT and MT, both with Rev. C ROMs; 768MB of RAM; Sonnet G4/500MHz CPUs; AsantéFAST NICs; Rage Pro video cards; USB, FireWire or combo cards and 40-60GB of drive space in two or three drives. And they bolt in OS 9.2.2. I'm in no hurry to install OS X of any kind because I have Macs that support it natively and without artifice, so why bother? The longterm puzzle is to find a Gefen EXT-VGA-2-ADC adapter so that they can share a 17" ADC Studio Display.

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Yeah word. How do you identify which version of the Grackle IC you have? And Rev. F ROM? Never heard of that one.
Rev. F? Must've been the "scientifically-proven" affinity for one's own name that clouded my mind on that one. I meant the Rev. C. Gotta have the ATA slave capabilities, after all.

And as for the Grackle, it's pretty easy to read. Printed on the chip will be an identification string, which looks something like this: MPC106ARXxxBG. The xx is the rated speed of the chip. If yours says 66, then obviously you've got the 66MHz part. It may be overclockable, but it's not guaranteed. However, if yours says 83, then you've got the 83MHz part, and can clock it to 83MHz with complete stability.

Unfortunately, these were only available in the first and possibly some of the second version of the Gossamer board (so they have the slower video), and on the 250 and 292MHz Wallstreets (which actually ran at 83MHz).

I don't know why Apple did this. Perhaps they planned to offer some 83MHz machines, but changed their minds. They already changed the specs on them once (originally they were to run a 50MHz bus), so it wouldn't be a surprise to change it again.

 
Holy crap, I found it here:
http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=45'>http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=45
That page is interesting but is missing lots of data.

Pippin, Nike, Swee' Pea (Sweet pea), and Brutus all we from same apple division. few are ever discussed on the internet.

In fact I can't google up any info on Nike, Swee' Pea (Sweet pea), and Brutus.

Nike = iphone sized mac OS wrist strap mac with radio link to two sensors in running shoes, kept track of jogging workout, for health nuts, but also was personal information manager -> spawned from eMate+Newton group

Swee' Pea (Sweet pea), and Brutus = TV set top boxes, I forgot which of the two did what, but ONE of them was identical to the Apple set top (68040 processor, 4 MB RAM, a 2 MB ROM ) on page : http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=45

...but that page says codename was UNKNOWN. Its NOT UNKNOWN its either Swee' Pea (Sweat pea), or Brutus. (I will look it up better somehow)

The device came entwined with a morality license agreement from Apple Legal, as did the "Pippin" : no overtly violent games, no sexual laden games allowed, nothing that offended Apples morality, and no entertainment content demeaning toward women.

Apple legal also killed the Newton with a 3% (three percent) take of your companies GROSS RECEIPTS in royalty contracts. Amusingly no one minds 2008 and 30% for iTunes store for iPhone.

Grand Theft Auto 4 shows that morality contracts on gaming consoles dooms such wimpy console to a quick death. All hail "Grand Theft Auto 4" !!!

Someone should email theapplemuseum.com and tell them the codename was either Swee' Pea (Sweat pea), or Brutus.

As for how I know this Brutus stuff. I seem to have knowledge of far far too many things in my head.

 
Where is in on the motherboard?
If you're looking at the CPU ZIF socket, the Grackle is north a bit, between the ZIF and the drive connectors. In fact, the Grackle looks very similar to the PPC 750, only slightly rectangular: it's a ceramic flip-chip BGA device with exposed die, the only chip like that on the board. It looks like this (best accurate picture I could get in under a minute).

 
Oh, yeah...there seems to be a decent amount of interest in Apple prototype stuff but no "complete" database of information about these.

 
Thank, Frank. That should be easy to find.

On the other hand, what is it with beige motherboards dying? I replaced the one in mine twice over the years. Both times the symptoms were a non-booting OS X install, OS 9 booting fine. Tried everything logical, but only swapping out the mobo seemed to fix it.

Driverguru, the "Nike" you're describing was a shipping product from not that long ago. It was an add-on to the iPod, not a custom MacOS portable device. And "Nike" wasn't a code name, Nike the shoe people were the partners in the project.

 
On the other hand, what is it with beige motherboards dying? I replaced the one in mine twice over the years. Both times the symptoms were a non-booting OS X install, OS 9 booting fine. Tried everything logical, but only swapping out the mobo seemed to fix it.
I have a wild theory, and its an ugly and pessimistic one.

BAD SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING, NOT HARDWARE.

True, salt ions in the air can corrode contacts if you live near an ocean, and true, some capacitors from a certain era on all motherboards will fail because the stolen chemical formula replicated by the chinese taken from japan was missing a key ingredient, affecting all capacitors in the world deriving from that plant... but the reason is BAD SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING, NOT HARDWARE.

How ?

Well OSX likes to set things up for "OpenBoot" a strange and complex set of technologies that was to be a open standard. The try to get their way and tuck stuff in PRAM.

When pram battery charge is off, low, corrupt, whatever, or you THINK you cleared it with Command-Option-P-R at startup with capslock off and watch it double boot.

Well it DOES NOT REALLY ZAP THE PRAM.

Apple is full of assholes that keep squeezing a byte or two of vital non-crc-checked data into the parameter non volatile ram area (PRAM) and putting these unsanctioned new bytes in areas NOT CLEARED EVER by Command-Option-P-R.

result ? bad serial ports that are not really bad !! (i replaced 3 motherboards at 410 dollars apiece before writing a PRAM clearing program to really fix the bug)

Yep ! Many Apple engineers are assholes. They want you to buy hardware whenever they pollute the PRAM. Draining battery and using paperclips will not help. You want all bits zeroed.

YOU ARE IN LUCK! You can repair a dead motherboard by using a PRAM zapper tool not written by apple that clears the DRM areas that contain odometer information (hours your machine used, manufacturing date, etc).

goddamned DRM.

really zapping PRAM should reset mouse and sometimes clock zone and also :

AppleTalk status

Serial port configuration and port definition

Alarm clock setting

Application font

Serial printer location

Key repeat rate

Key repeat delay

Speaker volume

Alert sound

Double-click time

Insertion point blink rate

Mouse speed

Startup disk

Menu blink count

Monitor depth

32-bit addressing

Virtual memory

RAM Disk

Disk cache

Use MicroMat's free TechTool or commercial TechTool Pro to salvage "dead" motherboards that are not really dead, because zapping PRAM is useless using apples methods

I would be less hostile on this topic if I did not have to buy so many motherboards in the past because of the scam.

 
Driverguru, the "Nike" you're describing was a shipping product from not that long ago. It was an add-on to the iPod, not a custom MacOS portable device. And "Nike" wasn't a code name, Nike the shoe people were the partners in the project.
Wrong. The Nike I am describing was presented to Apples board in 1994 and work performed on it by the same groups that worked on Brutus , Swee Pea, Pippin.

1994 is way way before the ipod !

The first mp3 player in history was in 1997 (MPMan), the first hard drive one proposed was a few years later, and Apple was late to the scene : October 2001 for iPod.

...and it was not clear in 1994 that the corp 'Nike' would be the real partner in the long run, but it was the code name no matter how stupid a code name it was. QuickTime was a codename that was so good Apple SHIPPED using it when they became enamored with it. xbox was a code that for some reason microsoft SHIPPED using it after becoming enamored with it and had to pay millions to buy the domain xbox.com.

nike WAS the code name. (nike is also a greek goddesss) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_%28mythology%29

Nike was indeed a code name. And we are talking 1994 here.

(and 'no' i was never on Apples board, but everything I type on this site is 100% factual).

 
I just caught up on this thread. I'm going to have to dig up some of my supposedly "dead" beige motherboards and try TechTool on them. Thanks for the tip Driverguru.

Meanwhile: re "Nike": I guess the idea must have hung around for a few years and resurfaced.

 
Griffin?
with an 83MHz-rated Grackle and Rev. F ROM. So, it runs 416MHz on an 83MHz bus
I wish I could find a beige with 83mhz parts. :(
Yeah word. How do you identify which version of the Grackle IC you have? And Rev. F ROM? Never heard of that one.
You don't have to test for the speed of the Grackle chip. The speed of the chip is contained in the part number stamped on the top. When the beige G3 was originally designed, it was expected it would have a longer lifespan and more possible combinations of bus speeds and cpu multipliers were going to keep it current as G3 speeds continued to ramp up. The return of Jobs and the complete overhaul of the G3 Powermac killed ended those plans early. The beige G3 as originally designed could have taken all but the very fastest G3's that came later if it's life had been allowed to continue.

http://www.wmld.com/tech/jumperchart2.html

 
... The longterm puzzle is to find a Gefen EXT-VGA-2-ADC adapter so that they can share a 17" ADC Studio Display.
eBay's @#$%&* software fritzed on me with 4sec to go in an auction for a Gefen adapter, but I now have a Dr Bott DVI-to-ADC converter and Radeon 7000 PCI cards with DVI-I/VGA/S-Video out. Nice display, but the reported failure to wake from sleep, and no support for the USB power and brightness controls, take some of the gloss off the arrangement.

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My beige config is in the signature. Are there any ways to get the freaking dvd player to work on this thing?!?!?!?! I did a mod/hack where you delete the install check file in the installer package, but now the app wont open. I have an ATi 9200 in it as well as a DVD burner.

 
On the other hand, what is it with beige motherboards dying? I replaced the one in mine twice over the years. Both times the symptoms were a non-booting OS X install, OS 9 booting fine. Tried everything logical, but only swapping out the mobo seemed to fix it.
I have a wild theory, and its an ugly and pessimistic one.

BAD SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING, NOT HARDWARE.

True, salt ions in the air can corrode contacts if you live near an ocean, and true, some capacitors from a certain era on all motherboards will fail because the stolen chemical formula replicated by the chinese taken from japan was missing a key ingredient, affecting all capacitors in the world deriving from that plant... but the reason is BAD SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING, NOT HARDWARE.

How ?

Well OSX likes to set things up for "OpenBoot" a strange and complex set of technologies that was to be a open standard. The try to get their way and tuck stuff in PRAM.

When pram battery charge is off, low, corrupt, whatever, or you THINK you cleared it with Command-Option-P-R at startup with capslock off and watch it double boot.

Well it DOES NOT REALLY ZAP THE PRAM.

Apple is full of assholes that keep squeezing a byte or two of vital non-crc-checked data into the parameter non volatile ram area (PRAM) and putting these unsanctioned new bytes in areas NOT CLEARED EVER by Command-Option-P-R.

result ? bad serial ports that are not really bad !! (i replaced 3 motherboards at 410 dollars apiece before writing a PRAM clearing program to really fix the bug)

Yep ! Many Apple engineers are assholes. They want you to buy hardware whenever they pollute the PRAM. Draining battery and using paperclips will not help. You want all bits zeroed.

YOU ARE IN LUCK! You can repair a dead motherboard by using a PRAM zapper tool not written by apple that clears the DRM areas that contain odometer information (hours your machine used, manufacturing date, etc).

goddamned DRM.

really zapping PRAM should reset mouse and sometimes clock zone and also :

AppleTalk status

Serial port configuration and port definition

Alarm clock setting

Application font

Serial printer location

Key repeat rate

Key repeat delay

Speaker volume

Alert sound

Double-click time

Insertion point blink rate

Mouse speed

Startup disk

Menu blink count

Monitor depth

32-bit addressing

Virtual memory

RAM Disk

Disk cache

Use MicroMat's free TechTool or commercial TechTool Pro to salvage "dead" motherboards that are not really dead, because zapping PRAM is useless using apples methods

I would be less hostile on this topic if I did not have to buy so many motherboards in the past because of the scam.
So how exactly do you fix a dead motherboard using that if the board does not boot?

 
My beige config is in the signature. Are there any ways to get the freaking dvd player to work on this thing?!?!?!?! I did a mod/hack where you delete the install check file in the installer package, but now the app wont open. I have an ATi 9200 in it as well as a DVD burner.
Thats one heck of a beige G3, any reason you went that overboard on it? Also is it a MT or desktop?

 
haha thanks! It is a minitower. Also I should note that I have a firewire USB tango card in it as well as an Acard 6280M ATA 133 controller in it. Reason for such upgrades is my mini died and I like vintage macs. I have prolly 15-20 macs i am working on currently to networked together for duke nukem! I also like to tell people that my main desktop is 11 years old.

Here are some pics of the set up.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/n1258140095_30067054_5842.jpg

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067055_6150.jpg

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067056_6426.jpg

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067057_6714.jpg

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067058_7001.jpg

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067542_9918.jpg

The last one is just to show the customized GUI

 
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