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SE/30 Memory

Hi,

I picked up an SE/30 a couple of weeks ago-- saved it from the landfill. It had bad / leaky caps on the MB, so I recapped it and put a 500MB drive in there. It's working well now and I'm looking to upgrade the memory to 32 MB. I tried some 30 pin SIMMS with 4M x 4 chips (2 chips on a SIMM) with no luck. I can get some SIMMS with 2M x 4 chips-- has anyone had any luck with either of these types of SIMMS? Or, should I look for 4M x 1 chips with 8 chips on a SIMM?

Thanks,

Rick

 
The 4Mb X 1 chips are better. It does not matter if its 8 or 9 chips, in the case of the 9th chip is a SIMM with Parity and is basically ignored by the SE/30. The other "hi-density" SIMMs are hit or miss on the Mac II series, including the SE/30. So some will work for them, others wont.

Also, you should check with a multi-meter to see if all your addresses on the RAM SIMMs are intact. A dead address pin will stop the SE/30 from recognizing RAM at a certain point.

 
You can stick 16MB chips in there if you wanted to.  I just don't know what brand or type would work or not, other than being 30 pin.

 
Thanks Elfen, olePigeon -- Turns out the SIMMS I had were composite--  I read somewhere that Apple did not recommend composite memory.

I sent them back and picked up some 4M, 9 chip SIMMS, so I should be able to get the SE/30 up to 32MB. I'll be running 7.1 for now, and I'm not sure if it's worth running 7.5.5 on it.  But 32MB should be plenty for a while. It's much better than the 2MB that's installed now..

 
Remember to install the Mode32 extension and enable 32-bit addressing in the Memory control panel.

I'm running 7.5.3 with 32MB ram on my SE/30, runs like a breeze =)

 
Thanks Elfen, olePigeon -- Turns out the SIMMS I had were composite--  I read somewhere that Apple did not recommend composite memory.
If the SIMMs just had two 4M X 4 chips on them, then they were not composite SIMMs.  Composite SIMMs are SIMM which were built with memory chips of too small of a capacity for the SIMM.  Additional circuitry (typically a PLD) is necessary on composite SIMMs to handle the addressing of higher memory addresses adn switch between the banks of small capacity memory parts on the SIMM.

For example, if you attempted to build a 16MB SIMM out of those 4M X 4 parts.   You'd be building a 16M X 8 SIMM; 16M addresses and 8 bits of width in the data path.

But the 4M X 4 chips only have 4M addresses per chip.  So you take eight of them, arrange them in four pairs and you have (4M X 8 ) + (4M X 8 ) + (4M X 8 ) + (4M X 8 ) = 16M X 8.   However, the 4M chips don't have any built-in method of accepting 16M addresses.

So you add a PLD which accepts the upper few address pin and translates them into a Bank Select (Chip Select) signal and then the output of the PLD activates one of those 4M X 8 banks for each memory operation.

That's a composite SIMM.  

The 2-chip SIMMs are also known to be problematical, but not because they're composite.

And, in fact, it raises an interesting question.  Anyone know why 2-chip SIMMs are problematical?  I think I read something about an obscure refresh logic issue, but memory also says that may have been the problem with the IIx and larger than 1MB SIMMs, not the problem with 2-chip SIMMs.  

Logically, 2-chip SIMMs should work.

Personally, I wonder if 2-chip SIMMs underload the address and/or control signals on the logic board and because there are not enough chips there to sink enough current, the signal(s) ring and ruin the signal integrity on the memory bus.

If that's the case, adding some small resistors on the address and/or control lines should fix the problem.  Basically, I suspect that when using 2-chip SIMMs, the memory bus needs to be terminated.

 
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