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Performa 600 hell.

In a recent conquest, I got a battered old Performa 600 (roughly equivalent to a IIvx.) It wouldn't boot from its internal drive (it would do a "Mac OS" logo boot, then get to showing the menu bar and freeze.) It wouldn't boot from any floppy, and the only CD I could get it to boot from (external drive,) was a "CD-ROM Setup Disc" that has a System 7.5.1 folder, and the hard drive didn't even show up started from that.

Finally I got it to boot enough to rebuild the desktop file. It took 4 hours. And it still didn't show me the desktop, freezing after showing the menu bar.

But, the next time I restarted with Extensions off, it finally booted to the desktop! (Took half an hour.) As the desktop drew, it filled the screen with folder icons. Then those refreshed. And again, and again, etc... Each folder has, as its name, just a number. Those numbers steadily increased past 4000, before it stopped showing the thousands digit, and kept counting.

Any time I do *ANYTHING* that would cause a redraw of the desktop icons, it takes about ten minutes to redraw all the icons. I tried selecting about twenty 'stacks' at once, but the system then froze up for half an hour, and wouldn't let me do anything with the selected stacks. So I am now selecting one 'stack' at a time, and dragging it to the trash. I then have to wait five to ten minutes before I can do anything. (Which is odd, since all it redraws is the now-missing 'stack', plus the Trash icon.)

After dragging the first stack, I emptied the trash. Took 10 minutes. It said there were 85 files. By doing simple multiplication, (10 columns, 8 rows of icons,) I have determined that there are 80 'stacks' on the screen, plus two 'rogue' folders that are not in the auto-grid. That means, rough estimate, there are about 6800 folders on the desktop.

Thankfully, the Trash was also not in the grid. Unfortunately, the hard drive is. Which means I can't get to the hard drive icon yet.

I did do an 'About this Mac', and this thing is at least RAM-loaded, with the max 68 MB. That also told me that it is running Mac OS 7.6.1.

Once I get the desktop cleaned off, I'll see if I can figure out why it won't let me boot from floppy, or boot from any CD other than a relatively useless one. (It won't boot from any 'real' System 7.5 or 7.6 CDs.) I'm guessing that the floppy drive is dead, but that doesn't explain why it will only boot from one specific CD.

edit: I've only cleared off 6 stacks, but the time delay before being able to do anything is going down.

 
If you have 6800 folders on the desktop and the machine is lagging that much you would be better off just reformatting and reinstalling.

 
AF,

I'd replace the battery and zap the PRAM. And reformat and clean insatall.

I have an old external drive case that I keep the top off. I pull drives out of the orginal drive, set the SCSI ID to 2, pop it into the external case and clean up the drive on another Mac. Makes it easy to salvage any files and to take a look at the drive with some diagnostics.

 
Can't reformat and reinstall because it won't boot from any disks or CDs that I can reformat from.

Zapped the PRAM, haven't opened it up yet, so haven't had a chance to touch the battery. Figure I'll clean off the desktop and see if it gets more responsive.

 
Boot from the System 7.5 Network Access Disk (available from Apple when I looked the other week). Hold down Command-Shift-Option-Delete to supress the SCSI disk. Attach to an AppleShare server, reformat the hard disk and reinstall.

 
good god...

i'd connect the HD up to another system and rummage through the files on that one. the IIvx wasn't a very good machine even when it was new. that many files is just way overkill for a crippled system such as that.

 
good god...
i'd connect the HD up to another system and rummage through the files on that one. the IIvx wasn't a very good machine even when it was new. that many files is just way overkill for a crippled system such as that.
And it's not even a IIvx, it's a Performa 600 so it doesn't even support cache memory which is probably slowing it down even more. The best thing to do with Performa 600, IIvi, IIvx machines is a Quadra 650 motherboard swap.

 
Oh, and all of the folders are empty. Obviously something went *VERY* wrong on this sucker. (I'm wondering if rebuilding the desktop file is what created these folders?)

Charlieman: Again, I can not boot from any floppy! When I try, the floppy gets spit out.

Dan 7.1: Unfortunately, at present, I don't have any external SCSI drive cases handy, my only accessible machine with accessible extra internal SCSI is my G3 server. Since it is entirely possible that the folder problem could be some funky old virus, I'm not willing to risk my server.

The guy it came from said that this machine is from quite a few years ago when he was a pretty heavy drug user, and had a couple "tweaker" roommates that, among other things, infected pretty much every machine he had with multiple viruses; and even went through and ripped RAM and processors out of machines to sell when he was in the hospital.

Oh, and I have now gotten rid of half the folders on the desktop, and the machine is much more responsive now. Only about two minutes of stalling after dragging folders to the trash. I can now also highlight multiple 'stacks' of folders at a time without making the machine come to a screeching halt like when I started, which means I can now drag multiple 'stacks' at once. Although emptying a trash with 2000 items in it takes an excruciatingly long time. (I've been waiting on the current one for 10 minutes, looks like it will take another 5. 'Preparing to empty' is the big time killer. It counts up to about 400 items pretty quick, then gets gradually slower, counting 10 at a time.)

 
As others have said, I'd just reformat it and start from fresh.

Either way, its a nice score, especially the RAM...in a IIvx, 68MB would mean 16MB 30 pin SIMMs!

 
As I have said, I cannot get it to boot from any media that has the ability to reformat!

I finally have it all cleaned off, and it's a decently speedy machine. It had just a stock 7.6.1 System Folder plus Apple Extras, and Netscape Communicator 4.

I found out what had created all the folders, too. They were really desktop printers. After I got them cleaned, next (with extensions) reboot, it started creating them again! I promptly rebooted with extensions disabled, and used Extensions Manager to disable desktop printer. Upon reboot, they didn't auto-create. After some diagnostics, it appears that the Color StyleWriter Pro 2500 driver was causing it. I removed that driver, and all is well now, with Desktop Printing turned back on.

I also confirmed that the floppy drive is, indeed, dead.

The fact that I'm using a PowerCD means I couldn't use it once in the OS, so I transferred the PowerCD drivers over via LocalTalk, and it mounts discs just fine. Why it would only boot from an "CD-ROM Setup Disc", but not a "System 7.5.3" disc is beyond me.

I am presently doing an install of 7.5.3.

 
6800 folders on the Desktop? I would have been very curious to see what the heck was on there! :p
As I said in my most recent post, nothing was on there! They were desktop printers. Starting in "Extensions Off" mode disables desktop printers, so they appear as folders.

 
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