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Lisa Workshop Macintosh Supplement
- Thread starter bhuntsman
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I have a Lisa-to-Macintosh upgrade kit with 3 400k floppies if that's what you want.
However I have no idea how to image Lisa software... and I have no classic macs lying around.
I have exams coming up, so if you want them you will have to wait 2 more weeks... :lisa2:
However I have no idea how to image Lisa software... and I have no classic macs lying around.
I have exams coming up, so if you want them you will have to wait 2 more weeks... :lisa2:
I think I may have 1 or two but I don't have the full set and I believe they have been overwritten 
Maybe you can tell me what MacStuff disks are? I have a few of those too but I don't believe they are a complete set either.
I do, however, have images for Lisa WorkShop 3.0 here: http://vintagecomputer.ca/download/apple/lisa/Mac_Supplement_Feb85_3.zip
Maybe you can tell me what MacStuff disks are? I have a few of those too but I don't believe they are a complete set either. I do, however, have images for Lisa WorkShop 3.0 here: http://vintagecomputer.ca/download/apple/lisa/Mac_Supplement_Feb85_3.zip
That is very cool! I don't know if there is any chance that your first disk is what is commonly known as the "Software Supplement" from early 85, but I'd love to see a copy of whatever is on that disk (even if it's been overwritten). (It is my understanding that the Software Supplement disks contained applications that could be used either on the Lisa or the Mac, but I'm not sure. They were intended to accompany Inside Macintosh.)
Same for the others, really - preserving old disks is always a plus.
Same for the others, really - preserving old disks is always a plus.
PS And I just realized that your download link might contain what I'm looking for! Off to explore. Original comment stands though, it would be awesome if you could image anything you haven't already.
ETA: nope, the Lisa Workshop disks don't work on Macintosh (no doubt the title should have been a clue). Would have deleted this comment but I couldn't figure out how.
ETA: nope, the Lisa Workshop disks don't work on Macintosh (no doubt the title should have been a clue). Would have deleted this comment but I couldn't figure out how.
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I think I need to scan some documentation. These disks came with documentation but I'm certain I don't have all of them. I have the phonebook "Inside Macintosh" promotional copy plus an addition set of documentation on loose three hole punched sheets about as thick as the "Inside Macintosh" promotional book with the first page titled "About the Software Supplement 2/15/85". This makes mention that this is the last update to documentation before the final bookstore version of "Inside Macintosh" is a available.
The "MacSupplement" disks are to be used on a Lisa with Lisa Workshop (2.0 according to the docs) coupled with MacXL 3.0 (that is also in the disks I have) so that you can develop Macintosh software on a Lisa. The MacStuff disks are to be used on a Macintosh to develop software for a Macintosh. I'll try to read the disks tomorrow. I couldn't read the disks on a TAM so I may need an early Macintosh to read them.
The "MacSupplement" disks are to be used on a Lisa with Lisa Workshop (2.0 according to the docs) coupled with MacXL 3.0 (that is also in the disks I have) so that you can develop Macintosh software on a Lisa. The MacStuff disks are to be used on a Macintosh to develop software for a Macintosh. I'll try to read the disks tomorrow. I couldn't read the disks on a TAM so I may need an early Macintosh to read them.
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The phonebook "Inside Macintosh" is pretty widely available (planning to pick one up at some point), but a scan of that three hole punched documentation would be amazing if you have time to make one at some point.
Good luck with reading those disks! I'll have to hunt down a Lisa Emulator. I have zero hope of ever being able to afford a real Lisa.
Good luck with reading those disks! I'll have to hunt down a Lisa Emulator. I have zero hope of ever being able to afford a real Lisa.
Disk Copy 4.2 on one of the early SuperDrive macs or any of the 800k floppy drive machines will work.
I've archived and uploaded the disks I have. None of them are MacSupplement disks or they would not have been readable from the Mac and only readable on a Lisa. The MacSupplement disks I had had an earlier version of MacStuff (2/85) but I only have three of five disks. I archived these because the first disk is bootable and have System 1.1g on it.
MacStuff 5/85 looks to be complete (first disk is bootable) but the Build disk looks like a normal boot disk. Maybe someone can see if files can be restored on it (if it had any).
The MacDeveloper disk have the first three Mac Developer newsletters on it in which is pretty interesting.
I don't know what the Mac Skel disks are. If someone can look them over, let me know what you think.
There is also a version of MacXL 3.0 on it. I archived it but haven't looked at this disk because it's for a Lisa and I didn't want to drag one out.
The Technotes disk contains later developer tech notes. Thought it might be of interest too.
MacStuff 5/85 looks to be complete (first disk is bootable) but the Build disk looks like a normal boot disk. Maybe someone can see if files can be restored on it (if it had any).
The MacDeveloper disk have the first three Mac Developer newsletters on it in which is pretty interesting.
I don't know what the Mac Skel disks are. If someone can look them over, let me know what you think.
There is also a version of MacXL 3.0 on it. I archived it but haven't looked at this disk because it's for a Lisa and I didn't want to drag one out.
The Technotes disk contains later developer tech notes. Thought it might be of interest too.
- 2-85 MacStuff 3 (409.5 KiB)
- 2-85 MacStuff 4 (409.5 KiB)
- 5-85 Examples 1 (409.5 KiB)
- 5-85 Mac Build Disk (409.5 KiB)
- 5-85 MacStuff 1 (409.5 KiB)
- 5-85 MacStuff 2 (409.5 KiB)
- 5-85 MacStuff 3 (409.5 KiB)
- 5-85 MacStuff 4 (409.5 KiB)
- Mac Skel 1 (409.5 KiB)
- Mac Skel 2 (409.5 KiB)
- MacDeveloper (409.5 KiB)
- MacWorksXL 3.0 July 85 (409.5 KiB)
- Technotes (818.8 KiB)
2-85 MacStuff 3 and 5-85 MacStuff 1 contain the oldest versions of ResEdit I've ever seen (Prototype #0, Feb 85, and Prototype #.5, May 85). That is a real find, thank you! I looked at all of the disks, but a lot of the other stuff is beyond my experience level. (Looks like there might be a really early version of Uriah Heap, though? Definitely worth further examination.)
No clue about Mac Skel. I can't see any additional files on the Build Disk - I wonder if it was shipped that way to supply an easy boot disk to copy files onto. Might be something in the documentation.
Thanks again for uploading!
No clue about Mac Skel. I can't see any additional files on the Build Disk - I wonder if it was shipped that way to supply an easy boot disk to copy files onto. Might be something in the documentation.
Thanks again for uploading!
This is definitely early stuff. I also noticed that I didn't link to the MacStuff 2-85 Disk 1. It has Finder 1.1g on it and is a bootable disk. It's as early an OS as I've seen that runs on a Mac.
Thank YOU for posting the HyperDrive disks. I will be archiving them there as well in case anyone needs them.
- 2-85 MacStuff 1 (409.5 KiB)
Thank YOU for posting the HyperDrive disks. I will be archiving them there as well in case anyone needs them.
Finder 1.1g is not earliest version that runs on a Mac. It was released in April of '84 so it is the most common version that was in use for a year.
You're very welcome! The more archives, the merrier.
Thanks for the MacStuff Disk 1 image (snagged) and the link to the larger file archive. I squirrel away old disk images like nuts.
Re: slomacuser's comment, System 1.0/Finder 1.0 from Jan 84 was indeed the oldest version than ran on a Mac (well, there is a weird .85 prototype I've seen floating around, but that was certainly never commercially released). Another of my absurd OCD projects is putting together a set of "original" early Mac System disk images - "original" in quotes because it is all but impossible to find a truly virgin disk or disk image in the wild for any of the earliest versions.
Can you check to see if there is documentation for the Core Edit API in those loose three hole punched sheets? Allegedly, Core Edit documentation was only shipped that way-- support for it was dropped by the time the phonebook edition came out. If you've got that, then I would be extremely interested in getting a scan.
The loose documentation I have is post Inside Macintosh phone book for the 2/85 and 5/85 software suppliments. I don't see any reference to Core Edit API. At some point, I will scan the whole thing. It talks about what should be on those disks and I don't think they are right. I also don't have all of them so whatever you can glean from those disks is all I have.
Here is a link to both of the Supplement docs now scanned:
http://vintagecomputer.ca/download/apple/macintosh/developer/MacSupplement-Feb.15.1985.pdf
http://vintagecomputer.ca/download/apple/macintosh/developer/MacSupplement-May.1985.pdf
Do let me know if you find anything interesting in there. Looks like the first one is before the Inside Macintosh phonebook and the second is after. Both sets of documentation tell you what should be on each disk that I imaged as well (and what is missing).
http://vintagecomputer.ca/download/apple/macintosh/developer/MacSupplement-Feb.15.1985.pdf
http://vintagecomputer.ca/download/apple/macintosh/developer/MacSupplement-May.1985.pdf
Do let me know if you find anything interesting in there. Looks like the first one is before the Inside Macintosh phonebook and the second is after. Both sets of documentation tell you what should be on each disk that I imaged as well (and what is missing).
I finally had a chance to poke around inside the scanned documentation you uploaded. Thanks so much! I haven't got past (double)-checking the information about what is on each disk, but so far what I have checked is accurate and very informative.
@snuci: Would you mind if I were to make a page on Macintosh Garden and upload both the disks and the documentation? I don't think any of these disks are on the Garden, and someone might have copies of the missing disks to contribute. But if you'd rather not, I won't do it. If you don't mind me uploading, I can also link to your archive (vintagecomputer.ca) or not, as you prefer.
There should have been at least one set of supplement disks before the ones you have - I believe it was dated 9/84 (although the documentation refers to updates being sent out scattered over time, so for all I know there was more than one version). References I have seen in contemporary magazines speak of Software Supplement versions issued in Sept 84, Feb 85 and May 85.
Thanks again for sharing these! The oldest stuff is incredibly difficult to find.
@snuci: Would you mind if I were to make a page on Macintosh Garden and upload both the disks and the documentation? I don't think any of these disks are on the Garden, and someone might have copies of the missing disks to contribute. But if you'd rather not, I won't do it. If you don't mind me uploading, I can also link to your archive (vintagecomputer.ca) or not, as you prefer.
There should have been at least one set of supplement disks before the ones you have - I believe it was dated 9/84 (although the documentation refers to updates being sent out scattered over time, so for all I know there was more than one version). References I have seen in contemporary magazines speak of Software Supplement versions issued in Sept 84, Feb 85 and May 85.
Thanks again for sharing these! The oldest stuff is incredibly difficult to find.
