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Diimo 030 in the IIfx?

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Just to push it that extra 10mhz I want to plug a Diimo 030 into my Mac IIfx but while it does have the same 030 PDS slot as say a IIci I can't find any mention of anyone using one in a IIfx.

Is it "compatible but not mentioned by MicroMac" or is it truly incompatible? I can't really test without buying a CPU for it so if I can save $50 I'll do so.

 
it does have the same 030 PDS slot as say a IIci
No, it doesn't. There are many different "030 PDS" slots, which is why Daystar had so many adapters for their PowerCache upgrades.

 
Aw man, really? Ugh.

Okay, so then it's NOT compatible with the IIfx.....It's only compatible with other unobtanium cards. xx(

 
The IIfx '030 PDS is by far the strangest implementation extant. The Available for: . . . listing looks like it may only be compatible with one of the listed Macs.

However, the faster '030 & CoPro could be swapped into your IIfx, which might then be overclocked significantly over a reliable stock IIfx overclocking. }:)

 
However, the faster '030 & CoPro could be swapped into your IIfx, which might then be overclocked significantly over a reliable stock IIfx overclocking. }:)
Imagine that, a 60+ MHz Macintosh IIfx.
That very well could be the fastest Mac II in existence (stock or otherwise), if anybody actually does it.

Hmm... I could do it, since I have one }:) .

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The IIfx PDS slot is longer then the SE30 one from what I recall, and they are not compatible. IIfx PDS CPU cards are rare and some (like the one I have ) need mods on the motherboard to even work.

 
the IIfx PDS is not only mad incompatible, it also runs at 1/2 the system clock, so it's no better in performance than the IIsi PDS. Installing the proc/copro on the MoBo and maxing out the reliable system clock rate would really rock, IMHO.

 
The IIfx PDS slot is longer then the SE30 one from what I recall, and they are not compatible. IIfx PDS CPU cards are rare and some (like the one I have ) need mods on the motherboard to even work.
Did you ever get the information you needed about what those motherboard modification were? I remember you were in touch with the former owner of the company that made the upgrade, yes?

 
The IIfx PDS slot is longer then the SE30 one from what I recall, and they are not compatible.
Apple says otherwise in a tech bulletin.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA43788?viewlocale=en_US

while saying the SE/30 and IIfx have identical PDS slots, it does however state that the SE/30 PDS connector is different to that in the IIci, or at least it's electrically different to the point the IIci cache card will nuke the IIfx logic board.

So now we have MicroMac who says the Diimo 030 works in the SE/30 and IIci (unless these are diffrent cards!!) and Apple who says that the PDS slots in both systems are not compatible.

 
The IIfx slots and SE/30 use the same connector, but are not the same slot. They're similar and differences are pointed out in the second link. The IIci Cache slot is an entirely different breed, hence the warning and the need for model specific adapters for the IIci compatible PowerCache cards.

At the bottom of the first link you posted, there is a different part number listed for each of the '030 PDS slot types, including different cards for the SE/30 and IIsi, whose slots are identical, but for the bus speed. This is probably just a matter of using a lower clock multiplier for the faster IIsi System clock, but it also might be do to using a very different form factor, like the two different Radius Color Pivot II cards for the SE/30/IIsi pair.

From my read of the chart, a IIfx card would be yet another model specific accelerator/part number, if one had ever been produced. Using a 25% faster CPU/CoPro on a 50% underclocked system bus extension makes no sense at all in terms of overall system performance.

The PowerCache Accelerator/Adapter model was far more efficient than producing an entirely different card for each of the ludicrous number of different implementations of the '030's Processor Bus.

 
Unfotunately this was the reason I made the thread.

The board came with neither the 030 or the co-pro. Either I paid $50 and bought just the CPU or I saved myself the money.

 
It was my impression, and I may be wrong here, that there never was a 50MHz or higher labelled '030. The ones in the upgrades being 40MHz '030s which tested good at 50MHz. So, there's every chance the original CPU in the IIfx would work just as well.

 
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