Centris 650 with smoking Cap C34

[ChaosRom]

Hello,

I'm an retro computer fan from Germany. One of my main topics is 68k Macs.

Yesterday I tested a Centris 650 which I had waiting for inspection for a while.

I started up fine. It was nearly ready booting, when I recognised a smoking part

on the mainboard. (Fortunately I opened the case before powering up)

I immediately unplugged it. The smoke came from a part called C34 near to the

Nubus slot which is nearest to the CPU. It is a (now?) black thing looking like a

Tantalum cap.

Has anyone come across this already?

A will be fising this part help or did it die because something else which will also

kill the replacement?

Thanks for any hint

 

[Bolle]

I'd say that's failure due to age.

From looking at the pictures C34 is connected to the +12V rail that's going to the op-amp that's part of the amplifier circuit for the internal speaker.

It's possible they used a 16V tantalum capacitor there. Replace it with one rated for 25V and you will be good to go again.

You can probably leave it out as well to see if everything else is still working.

Also it wouldn't hurt to check if all the voltage rails are still within spec.

 

[ChaosRom]

OK, thanks.

I have the PSU of Astec (often called Aztech), which I read is known for being not that reliable.

I will check the Voltage.

 

[ChaosRom]

I removed the Cap and checked the PSU: 12.04V and 5.1V

Sounds good. BTW: Between the pins of the former Cap I get 11.9V.

The board is booting and even has sound.

Can someone please tell me the capacity of C34?

The similar looking C36 is 47nF with 6.3V, but that would work there.

 

[Fizzbinn]

C34 = 10µF 16v (pic attached so you can double check me!)

 

[Bolle]

Rule of thumb for tatalums is to go at least for twice the maximum voltage rating that the cap is going to see in circuit, so as I said earlier I would opt for 10uF/25V in this case.

 

[ChaosRom]

Thanks @Fizzbinn and @Bolle

I will order some tantalums next time.

And to be sure I will replace the other black one, too - with a 47µ/10V I think.

 

[Joopmac]

My board, 44mhz q650 did this today

I guess its time to change tantalums on the old ones..

I swap with polymer tantalum

 

[Phipli]

My board, 44mhz q650 did this today

I guess its time to change tantalums on the old ones..

I swap with polymer tantalum

It isn't endemic with tantalums - usually it happens if they're damp for some reason, or more commonly, are under rated for the service they perform. There are a couple of caps on the 650/800 logic board that are 16v rated on a 12v rail - that isn't enough, they should be >24v. Similar situation on the IIfx, there is an under-rated cap.

Checking the schematic, C34 is a capacitor that is indirectly connected to 12v, so technically under specified. It is in the audio circuit. Remove it, check the traces haven't been damaged (sheet 21, location 2H in the Quadra 800 schematic) and replace it with a 25v equivalent.

Get someone to check, but I think it is a 10uF.

 

[Joopmac]

I never use tantalums anymore. I also saw a cap on a brand new reloaded se/30 board catch fire, and a old se dayna network card

Always polymer tantalum now