Where are all the programmers?

[paulp]

Huh. Veery interesting. I already have a version of CW7 but it doesn't do Pascal.

I' will check this one out and see if it does (i can't even stand the sight of C++).

However, i'd still love to try FB3.......

 

[paulp]

Okay, this is sad...replying to my own post. But i'm still "looking for" FB3, and also just tried to download FreePascal for OS9 from:

http://www.freepascal.org/down/powerpc/macos-ftp.freepascal.org.html

Such a nice site, but crawling with bad links. How pathetic. So.... in addition to FB3, does anyone have/know where to get the old Freepascal for OS9? (I *think* it would be v2.0.2 or earlier.) Thanks.

 

[trag]

Does anyone have any comparisons between Code Warrior and Think C?

Apart from Code Warrior is PowerPC/68k and C/C++ where as Think C is 68k and C only?

Symantec C++ is both PPC and 68k.

Didn't Think C 5.0 add some kind of object support? It wasn't C++ but I thought there was something extra there beyond C.

Anyone have Think Reference? I have Think C 5.0 (never used it much except for class assignments) but never bought the Reference utility.

 

[trag]

This might be legal gray area, but CodeWarrior Pro 7.1 is available at a certain popular abandonware website.

Does anyone have a Taxonomy of the various CodeWarrior versions and what they did/supported. I bought something like CodeWarrior Gold 10 or 11 way back when. Then the Pro versions started the numbering over again, I think. And there were student versions mixed in there somehow.

 

[PowerPup]

does anyone have/know where to get the ol Freepascal for OS9? (I *think* it would be v2.0.2 or earlier.) Thanks.

Fortunately someone uploaded it to MacintoshGarden.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/free-pascal-202

You'll need the MPW toolkit, which Apple no longer hosts on their FTP server. But it is "mirrored" here.

 

[ClassicHasClass]

I don't remember the exact taxonomy, but the Gold CodeWarriors are pretty much hopeless for any code that's even remotely modern, so I use the Pro versions. I have CW 5, 6, 7 and 8. CW 6 is the last 68K version (I use CW 5 most of the time for 68K projects, however), and CW 7 is the first one to support Carbon. I don't remember when Mach-O capability was added (I think 8 ).

I don't know anything about the Windows or Java capabilities; I don't use those.

 

[highlandcattle]

Hi I would also be interested in obtaining a copy of FutureBasic that can compile for 68k. (does anybody posses a tutorial?) The latest available only compiles for pcc and up. Classichasclass, could you upload your version? (Btw Tenfourfox runs great on my cube->Many thanks).

Does anybody has a version of hypercard that will fit on a floppy (or a few). I don't have enough appletalk parts to make a network,so every thing needs to over floppy to my Performa 460 and IIci

 

[ClassicHasClass]

FB2 is actually better for 68K than FB3 IMHO -- I'll put that on the gopher server. (TenFourFox can use gopher; install OverbiteFF from https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/7685/ or use Camino, Classilla, Netscape or Firefox 3.6.)

gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/archive/by-request/classic-mac/

 

[trag]

I don't remember the exact taxonomy, but the Gold CodeWarriors are pretty much hopeless for any code that's even remotely modern, so I use the Pro versions. I have CW 5, 6, 7 and 8. CW 6 is the last 68K version (I use CW 5 most of the time for 68K projects, however), and CW 7 is the first one to support Carbon. I don't remember when Mach-O capability was added (I think 8 ).
I don't know anything about the Windows or Java capabilities; I don't use those.

Thank you, Cameron. It may be nine months later but it's still timely. I'll probably get around to writing code some time coincident with the heat death of the universe. Plenty of project ideas. So little time and skill.

I think I have a copy of Pro 6 around here somewhere. I mentioned to a professor from whom I was taking C++ that I had a Mac at home and he burned me off a set of copies. We were using it on the PCs in the labs at school. Nice crazy guy, but I did not like C++. Too many confusing ways to do things. Very powerful I suppose, but also so intricate that it seemed to make coding impossible to follow.

Does Freescale still sell CodeWarrior for the Mac?

 

[PowerPup]

Sadly, Freescale no longer sells CodeWarrior for Mac. The last version being CodeWarrior Pro 10 for Mac.

I didn't realize it until now. But http://www.stazsoftware.com/ has a link to FBII right on the front page: http://www.stazsoftware.com/downloads/FutureBASICII.sea

Pretty convenient.

I recently discovered MacTech Magazine. They have a complete archive of their articles. All the way back to 1984! I been browsing some of them, around the 93/94 era.

Found one that was pretty interesting. How to make control strip modules.

http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.12/ControlStrip/index.html

Source code

Might have some fun trying to come up with something.

http://www.mactech.com/articles/mt_indices/Vol_10_Issues.html

Volume 10 (1994) has a whole bunch of neat stuff explaining the PowerPC architecture. Having a blast looking at these, it's like re-living the past that I was too young to understand at the time. Being only three years old at the time.

I also found a interesting two part article called "Pascal Programmer’s Guide

to Understanding ‘C’."

http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.09/09.12/PascalUnderstandsC/index.html

http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.01/PascalCII/index.html

 

[highlandcattle]

Thanks Classichasclass,

Is it perhaps possible to .sit or.hqx this FuturbasicII.sea. My computer doesn't recognise it after I have downloaded it. (Nor on 8.5.1 or on 7.5.5).

I also downloaded the other two programs you offered on your gopher and could install them without trouble. BTW what does the drag and drop extension do?

 

[ClassicHasClass]

Dropping it on Stuffit doesn't work?

The Drag-Drop extension is mostly for 7.1.

 

[highlandcattle]

No sorry , It starts to rumble but then stuffit just quits without having done anything. Very annoying. It is probably stuffed with a much newer version of stuffit.

 

[noidentity]

Stuffit Expander 5 works fine onFutureBASICII.sea (I just tried). I found a page about using version 5 on older versions of Mac OS.

 

[highlandcattle]

Ookaaay, Stuffit 5.5 and the futurebasic.sea run my Performa 460 in the ground. Have been able to expand it on my Powermac 6500, and restuffed it with a much older version of stuffit time to set up and old school local talk network.

 

[techknight]

Anyone have any sample projects in futurebasic? i have NEVER used it, so i dont know where to even begin.

 

[PowerPup]

There's a dmg image of example sources on stazsoftware.com's shareware page. (Weird place for it huh?)

Been looking around at this mirror of the old ftp.apple.com and found some interesting goodies in Tool_Chest:

http://mirrors.vanadac.com/ftp.apple.com/developer/Tool_Chest/Devices_-_Hardware/

There's sample codes for CD detection, SCSI, ADB, Nubus, etc.

(One of us really need to mirror this copy of ftp.apple.com before it disappears too!)

Hopefully by the end of this summer I'll be on that list of Classic Mac Programmers.

 

[theos911]

(One of us really need to mirror this copy of ftp.apple.com before it disappears too!)

I think John Klos has a mirror of it on his ftp site.

 

[Toni_]

Why aren't people developing anymore for the classic Mac, even if just for the heck of it?

In case any of you guys are interested in looking (and maybe laughing at :lol: ) some recent code created for 68k macs, have a look at our retrochallenge entry's source in this thread: http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=16623 :b&w:

 

[feeef]

Hi,

I have been developing web (js/RoR) and iOS applications for the last few years and now I start to get interested in system 7 C++ development.

In fact, I installed system 7 on my well upgraded 9500 and I think I will never go back to 9 again. System 7 on that machine is so fast, such a great user experience! Sometimes I even feel that my intel iMac is quite slow after using the 9500.

I use 7.6.1 and I feel that some modern applications/utilities are missing and could be done without much pain (maybe I'm wrong...). So, I would like to start developing some of them on my free time and make them open source of course.

I am thinking about connected applications such as a twitter client, gmail client, or a cool control panel like a dock to replace the default mac launcher. In fact, I think that plenty of small iOS/mobile applications could be made for system 7.

My ultimate dream would be to have a lightweight webkit component working under system 7 to build apps on top of it... this is just a dream at the moment