Upgrading Performa 6360 processor...

[macguy]

I have a Sonnet G3 PCI card that i removed from my 8500.

Could i use that card in my Performa 6360 ?

 

[johnklos]

I have a Sonnet G3 PCI card that i removed from my 8500.
Could i use that card in my Performa 6360 ?

The Performa doesn't have a CPU slot. In order to upgrade the CPU, you'd need an accelerator which is made to go into the L2 cache slot on the 6360 motherboard. You can see the L2 cache slot behind the one DIMM in this picture:

 

[Gil]

Sonnet made upgrades for the 5400/6400 and 5500/6500 machines, but have been discontinued for quite some time, and are relatively hard to find.

 

[macguy]

I have a Sonnet G3 PCI card that i removed from my 8500.
Could i use that card in my Performa 6360 ?

The Performa doesn't have a CPU slot. In order to upgrade the CPU, you'd need an accelerator which is made to go into the L2 cache slot on the 6360 motherboard. You can see the L2 cache slot behind the one DIMM in this picture:

http://popcorn.cx/computers/apple/powermac/6360/pm6360-03.jpg

Thanks for heads up info.

 

[macguy]

Sonnet made upgrades for the 5400/6400 and 5500/6500 machines, but have been discontinued for quite some time, and are relatively hard to find.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Sharkonwheels]

I just swapped in a 6500/250 in my 6360 a few years back. Makes one heck of a "bookshelf server," replacing my old SE/30.

The Apple TV card + remote was just an added bonus!

 

[Quadraman]

Also in those machines, you can't run any of the good versions of OS X because of the CPU soldered to the motherboard. OS X can't see any CPU installed beyond the one onboard on those systems. You can run 10.0 and 10.1 because they still contain 603 support but beyond that, no. Since 10.0 and 10.1 are pretty useless for running OS X software, it's almost the same as no OS X at all. Some people have hacked 10.2 to work, but even on a 6500/300 it takes forever just for the desktop to appear. It works on the beige PCI Macs with a CPU slot because the upgraded G3 or G4 CPU is the only CPU that OS X sees on those machines.

 

[Bunsen]

There are rumours that the Sonnet 7200/4400 G3 upgrade - that actually goes into a PCI slot - has been made to work in other machines. IIRC, someone on the 6400zone forums got it working.

 

[johnklos]

Clarification would be nice...

Could someone please tell me if there are ANY documented accelerators which work in L2 cache slots which are supposed to be "enabled" after the machine has begun booting and has loaded a specific extension for that accelerator?

I've heard people talk about them, and I've even had someone from Sonnet tech support refuse to replace an accelerator under warranty because he said this is the way it worked even though the new accelerator was replacing an older accelerator which took over at poweron.

I've never found actual documentation nor read about them online; it seems MUCH easier to have the main processor float than have the main processor load part of the OS, then get halted, then have the G3 (or perhaps G4) start up. On the other hand, if someone could point me to something, I'd love to know about it.

 

[macguy]

Clarification would be nice...
and I've even had someone from Sonnet tech support refuse to replace an accelerator under warranty because he said this is the way it worked even though the new accelerator was replacing an older accelerator which took over at poweron.

Does Sonnet sell an accelerator card for the Performal 6360 ?

 

[johnklos]

Clarification would be nice...
and I've even had someone from Sonnet tech support refuse to replace an accelerator under warranty because he said this is the way it worked even though the new accelerator was replacing an older accelerator which took over at poweron.

Does Sonnet sell an accelerator card for the Performal 6360 ?

The accelerators I have were (and one still is) used in a Motorola StarMax 3000. According to most sources I've seen, they can also work in the Performa 6360:

http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g3-l2.shtml

One person specifically mentions using an L2 slot accelerator with a 6360 here:

http://www.zone6400.com/Sonnet_user_letters.html

 

[macguy]

Clarification would be nice...
and I've even had someone from Sonnet tech support refuse to replace an accelerator under warranty because he said this is the way it worked even though the new accelerator was replacing an older accelerator which took over at poweron.

Does Sonnet sell an accelerator card for the Performal 6360 ?

The accelerators I have were (and one still is) used in a Motorola StarMax 3000. According to most sources I've seen, they can also work in the Performa 6360:

http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g3-l2.shtml

One person specifically mentions using an L2 slot accelerator with a 6360 here:

http://www.zone6400.com/Sonnet_user_letters.html

I;m confused but today it's not to hard to confuse me or for that matter any other day.

Are you selling an accelerator card for the Performa 6360 ?

If not, do you have any urls were someone or other is selling that sonnet accelerator ?

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Clarification would be nice...
Could someone please tell me if there are ANY documented accelerators which work in L2 cache slots which are supposed to be "enabled" after the machine has begun booting and has loaded a specific extension for that accelerator?

I've heard people talk about them, and I've even had someone from Sonnet tech support refuse to replace an accelerator under warranty because he said this is the way it worked even though the new accelerator was replacing an older accelerator which took over at poweron.

I've never found actual documentation nor read about them online; it seems MUCH easier to have the main processor float than have the main processor load part of the OS, then get halted, then have the G3 (or perhaps G4) start up. On the other hand, if someone could point me to something, I'd love to know about it.

I'll take a look at the Docs for the Crescendo G3/466 that's been moved from my 6360's Cache Slot to the temporary replacement 6500 MoBo's cache slot (where it only runs at 400 MHz because of the faster bus, : go figure! . . .

. . . BTW, that was a joke . . . I know about the clock multiplier issues ) ) and see what the docs has to say.

 

[chet david]

There are rumours that the Sonnet 7200/4400 G3 upgrade - that actually goes into a PCI slot - has been made to work in other machines. IIRC, someone on the 6400zone forums got it working.

Actually that card was only marketed to 7200 not 4400. Sonnet had L2 slot G3 for 4400. This thread documents usage of the 7200 card in a 7500. He said he'd try it out in a 6500, but the thread ends there. This is curious. There are even OS X possibilities mentioned in that thread. If you are willing to use the one PCI slot in your 6360, I say go for trying the Crescendo/7200. There was even a G4 variant! If you could get OS X to work with that, it would run pretty well. The issue would be the low RAM ceiling. If you are not willing to give up your PCI slot, go straight for the Crescendo/L2.