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The Manhole
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Funkotronic
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I have this as well! Plus a number of others to go along with it. Anything that Cyan put out was beautifully done I was fortunate enough to be able to review a copy of Riven, the sequel to Myst, and you can totally see the linage to this work in those masterpieces. Still have the Riven poster somewhere…
ArmorAlley
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I have posters too. I would hang them up if I had any space left. I like old maps and I have reproductions of early 19th century maps on my walls.
just listened to this the other day. really got me itching to explore these games
Funkotronic
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Ummmm… that’s curious, I was a professional cartographer for 8+ with a prominent publishing company in Southern California back in pre-computer days. AT&T ended up buying the whole publishing company, and wanted me to move to either Dallas Fort Worth or St. Louis Missouri, and at that point I stopped being a cartographer.
I was fortunate enough to be able to watch this live!just listened to this the other day. really got me itching to explore these games
ArmorAlley
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This is what interests me at the moment: the Atlas Suisse — a trigonometrically surveyed map of Switzerland from 1802
en.wikipedia.org
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Suisse — the maps themselves can be found in the links at the bottom of this page
I also really admire the works of John Rocque. His maps of Dublin and London in the 1750s are very elegant.
en.wikipedia.org
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rocque's_Map_of_London,_1746 — the map of London
https://iiif.lib.harvard.edu/manifests/view/ids:10135320 — the map of Dublin
Atlas Suisse - Wikipedia
I also really admire the works of John Rocque. His maps of Dublin and London in the 1750s are very elegant.
John Rocque - Wikipedia
https://iiif.lib.harvard.edu/manifests/view/ids:10135320 — the map of Dublin
Scott Baret
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Awesome score there!
I always thought Cyan's best titles were the three earliest ones: The Manhole, Cosmic Osmo, and Spelunx. (I always wished they would have made more rooms for Spelunx and I have long thought about trying to program one, but alas, my art skills are nowhere near my HyperCard skills, so it wouldn't look anywhere near as good as what the Miller brothers did no matter how well it functioned...plus I simply don't have the time to do it anymore).
It's a shame Cyan gave up on programs like the early ones once Myst came out. It seems they put all their eggs in one basket and went with developing just that single franchise. I'm not really a big Myst fan (the graphics and gameplay were good for its time and the sound was excellent, but it just wasn't fun to me) but I totally get why they wanted to just capitalize on a bestseller.
I do think Cyan does well with storytelling...it is one area of Myst I do like (even if I'm not a fan of actually playing the games) and they incorporated this into some of their earlier titles, especially Spelunx (my favorite of theirs).
I always thought Cyan's best titles were the three earliest ones: The Manhole, Cosmic Osmo, and Spelunx. (I always wished they would have made more rooms for Spelunx and I have long thought about trying to program one, but alas, my art skills are nowhere near my HyperCard skills, so it wouldn't look anywhere near as good as what the Miller brothers did no matter how well it functioned...plus I simply don't have the time to do it anymore).
It's a shame Cyan gave up on programs like the early ones once Myst came out. It seems they put all their eggs in one basket and went with developing just that single franchise. I'm not really a big Myst fan (the graphics and gameplay were good for its time and the sound was excellent, but it just wasn't fun to me) but I totally get why they wanted to just capitalize on a bestseller.
I do think Cyan does well with storytelling...it is one area of Myst I do like (even if I'm not a fan of actually playing the games) and they incorporated this into some of their earlier titles, especially Spelunx (my favorite of theirs).
Phipli
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Heh "they couldn't wait to get into the SGI and then back off the SGI onto their macs, that whole Unix thing confused them".
Oh dear. Surely Jobs cringed at that point as Apple knew what direction they were heading.
nickpunt
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Haha I thought I was the only one with such a weird hobby overlap (old macs & old maps). These are some of my collection of early 19th century city maps from the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge (SDUK), which are just aesthetically gorgeous in how they express city architecture, many which include detailed engravings of cityscapes. The style is very similar to John Rocque's style and broadly similar to how Apple Maps render flat shaded polygonal buildings when zoomed in 3d. Some examples here from the Rumsey collection.
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Funkotronic
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Yeah but they had the cool tie-dye Macworld shirts that year...
Funkotronic
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I shall now endeavor to form the ‘society for the diffusion of useless knowledge’. I am already the ‘northern California chief of the bureau of pointless points’ so it seems like a natural fit.
Funkotronic
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It does now, you’re hired!
CC_333
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Would you also like to operate the Department of Trivial Trivia?
I would run it, but keeping all the meaningless meanings in order is hard work.
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Scott Baret
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Just don't be so pointless that we have to refer you to the Department of Redundancy Department...
CC_333
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Ah, yes, not to mention the Secretary of Redundancy Secretary of the Department of Redundancy Department has a thing or two to say about recursive definitions and circular meanings (which are separate and distinct from meaningless ones).
What was this thread actually about?
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What was this thread actually about?
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ArmorAlley
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It is diffusing into a Monty Python-esque silliness, which I am not against.
It just needs a bishop and it will be almost complete.
I have also learnt about the SDUK and their lovely maps.
It just needs a bishop and it will be almost complete.
I have also learnt about the SDUK and their lovely maps.
CC_333
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I must admit that I've never gotten into Monty Python, but silly this thread most definitely is!
EDIT: After all this time, I thought Monty Python was one person. Turns out it was the name of a group of six people!
Boy am I dense...
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