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Serial to WiFi

albrightct

Active member
Hey everybody; i'm working on an ultimate Duo 280c project and i'm wondering if a Serial to Wifi adapter would work to get the duo on a Wifi network. Obviously it would need one with the correct port, but can it be done? Anybody have any experience with this?

Something along these lines, but obviously with the correct minidin port

http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=404

how would you configure the software?

Thanks for any help

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
Cool adapter, but it doesn't sound like it's used as a NIC.

It seems to be more of a Wireless Network Computer that does things through he serial port, not the other way around from the description.

 

albrightct

Active member
Yeah i thought it was cool too but I agree it's probably not used for internet access on a computer. Too bad they don't make drivers for it because it seems like the right piece of hardware.

 

Gorgonops

Moderator
Staff member
It looks like in theory it wouldn't be "that hard" to use this to supply Internet access to an old machine like a Duo, albeit in a somewhat roundabout way.

Essentially what the linked dingus does (or can do, anyway) is act basically like an old Hayes smartmodem: it watches the serial input for a special escape sequence to switch it into "command mode". Command mode is used to join a specific wifi network, assign an IP, and to describe what the device is supposed to do while in data mode. (It appears to offer a multitude of options, including sending/receiving raw data over UDP or TCP, encapsulating inside http requests, etc.) The most straightforward way to set this up to provide Internet to an ancient machine would be to set up a simple telnet-like service on a UNIX-ish server providing a PPP/SLIP connection and connect to it using an Internet dialer on the Duo (or whatever), utilizing a custom dialer script to take care of setting up the wifi dongle and underlying TCP connection. (Depending on the level of configuration allowed in the dialer it might be necessary to set the thing up manually using a terminal program prior to launching the PPP/SLIP client. Unfortunately it doesn't use the standard Hayes escape sequence for the command mode, perhaps intentionally to avoid problems with tunneling software that might expect to be connected to a modem.)

So... yeah, not *that* hard in theory but in practice would require a few hours of geeking out to make it work.

 

Bunsen

Admin-Witchfinder-General
You may find something suitable at Sparkfun in the wireless category:

https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/16

A bare module you could make up your own socket for, or add in to the 16sce, or internally to the Duo itself (in place of the modem board for example, which is on a pseudo-serial port).

 

albrightct

Active member
That would be cool, but that's way too difficult for me unfortunately. I was thinking though the ultradock I could open it up and stick a 3G or wifi to ethernet thing in there if there is one that runs on batteries. Take the case off and stick it in there somehow, but unless it runs on batteries and has an ethernet port I wouldn't know what to do with it.

 

albrightct

Active member
well yeah of course...haha I am trying to get a 20 year old laptop on wifi I know it's not going to be a cinch. I'm just trying to be realistic about what I can do so I don't break anything irreplaceable. There can't be that many ultradocks floating around anymore so I wouldn't wanna ruin this one; I also need it to work if I want to use the Duo for presentations,

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
I'm surprised it would work at all. If someone figures out how to get the setup down to the installing drivers level, there are some interesting possibilities here.

This would certainly fit into the cavern designed into the UltraDock along with a battery. Without the cover, it'd likely fit into the HDD bay of a 2300c along with a CF adapter and run off the power freed up by removing the HDD.

How bad would the performance hit be to run this off serial as opposed to hacking PCMCIA and a standard WiFi Card onto the Docking Connector as originally planned/announced?

 

albrightct

Active member
I'm not sure what the real world performance would be, Id think that the CPU speed would almost be more of a bottleneck for surfing the web than the difference between ethernet vs serial. But I dunno.

 

Bunsen

Admin-Witchfinder-General
I'm surprised it would work at all.
If I'm reading this correctly, it appears to the serial port as a modem. Using PPP to another device, it would be essentially the same as using a dial-up modem to connect to the internet back in the day.

Said device could be something as simple as a WiFi router running OpenWRT, or, as Gorgonops suggested, any Unix/OS X computer on your network.

Now, if you wanted to get really fancy, you could drop an embedded wifi module that also runs some form of unix into the Duo or the Ultradock, and let that be your PPP-to-Internet bridge.

 
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