PowerBooks w/ADB & USB . . .

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

. . . were any ever made?

. . . or were USB cards made for a PB with ADB already on it?

I'll admit to getting lazier w/age, but I topped out on the 1400c & don't have an overpowering urge to peruse the docs on much of anything more recent . . .

. . . meaning the required PCI architecture of course.

I don't want to read about it . . . just wanna' HACKIT! }

Any help out there, gang?

jt :?:

p.s. just posted this on 'fritter . . . after having just eaten a REAL apple fritter, come to think about it! YUMMY!

 

[LCGuy]

There were no PowerBooks made that had both ADB and USB from the factory (the only Mac that can claim that honour is the Blue and White G3). However, you can add a USB CardBus card to a Wallstreet PowerBook G3 (which has serial, ADB, SCSI, but no built in USB or FireWire). Alternatively, you can buy a Griffin iMate (USB -> ADB adaptor) and use it on any USB Mac.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Now that's service! This is almost like the old days here & on 'fritter . . .

. . . ask a question-n-have an answer posted lickety-split!

There were no PowerBooks made that had both ADB and USB from the factory . . .

Figures! :

(the only Mac that can claim that honour is the Blue and White G3 . . .

Nah! Too much trouble to drive an LCD & I need the Power adapter, mobo, lid, LCD-n-Cable from a PB for the hack.

However, you can add a USB CardBus card to a Wallstreet PowerBook G3 (which has serial, ADB, SCSI, but no built in USB or FireWire). Alternatively, you can buy a Griffin iMate (USB -> ADB adaptor) and use it on any USB Mac.

You should know me better than that!, I've already got a couple of iMates, mate!

'sides, I've got an ADB peripheral whose pedigree precludes its adaptation to anything as pedestrian as a mere PRODUCTION PB mobo!

Thanks for the Wallstreet info tho! :b&w:

jt

 

[LCGuy]

This "ADB peripheral" wouldn't happen to be that Paladin keyboard would it?

 

[Bunsen]

I have heard that later Powerbooks, into the early G4 series even, used ADB internally for the trackpad. What would be involved in hooking into that, I have no idea.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

I have heard that later Powerbooks, into the early G4 series even, used ADB internally for the trackpad. What would be involved in hooking into that, I have no idea.

VERY COOL! Thank you very much, Herr Doctor! :b&w:

It shouldn't take anything much at all, as I'll just be using the mobo-n-lid, all I'd probably have to do is hack the connector a/o cable connection to the TrackPad.

Did I mention that the peripheral involved has keys and a spherically correct pointing device? }

jt =8-D

p.s. speaking of oddball ADB sightings, did anyone else know that the ADB signal is implemented on the PB100's power connection?

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

This "ADB peripheral" wouldn't happen to be that Paladin keyboard would it?

HEH! You betcha! Adapting some young whippersnapper of a PB to royalty of peripheraldom seems FAAARRRRR more appropriate than the other way around, in this case, don't you agree?

Got TELCO Rack . . .

Got galvanized steel KBD drawer half finished on aluminum contraption . . .

Got platinum/beige prototype KBD/Mouse, finally liberated from storage box tower after well over 5 years . . .

Got HP USB AIO Printer, Fax, Scanner . . .

Got Ethernet & wireless on said beast, but only got USB on HP Photo Printer . . .

Got 40" Roland CammJet 60 Plotter . . .

Got software for said MONSTER requiring serial input & dedicated CPU server . . .

= HackTime! }

jt

 

[LCGuy]

As much as I hate inkjet printers (its ok, the plotter makes up for that ), it sounds like quite a setup. Speaking of trackballs, as much as I used to like putridpads a few years ago, for some reason in the past few years I've taken quite a disliking to them, and have found myself starting to wish that they still gave you the option for a trackball on modern laptops (if a trackball was an option on my MacBook, even if it cost an extra $50, i probably would have sprung for it). I think it has something to do with the fact that most trackpads on modern laptops are wide enough to land an Airbus A380 (PC laptops are especially bad, on some the trackpad seems to take up half the palm rest, and when I touch type the cursor jumps all over the place), whereas older lappys, such as say, my 1400 have, well, a much more civilised size trackpad.

As for the PowerBook 100, why would Apple incorporate an ADB signal into the PB100's power connection? I know Apple's had some strange ideas over the years, but why would they do that? And how would they do it, there's only two connections - the tip (7.5 VDC) and the round bit (its late, I can't remember the technical name, but its the ground, anyway ).

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

whereas older lappys, such as say, my 1400 have, well, a much more civilised size trackpad.

Substitute "barely housebroken" for "civilized" and you'll . . . :

. . . although HP_Mini's pad with the scroll tracking is starting to grow on me . . . eeek!!!! . . . 8-o

As for the PowerBook 100, why would Apple incorporate an ADB signal into the PB100's power connection? I know Apple's had some strange ideas over the years, but why would they do that? And how would they do it, there's only two connections - the tip (7.5 VDC) and the round bit (its late, I can't remember the technical name, but its the ground, anyway ).

Never think Apple when you think PB100, it was Sony's baby all along, no Apple influence whatsoever! They handed over licensing for use of the Portable Technology gave Sony free rein to reduce it to something ACTUALLY Portable and then copied bits of their elegant design into the clunkers of their "100 Series" of PowerBlocks . . .

. . . erm . . . 'Books. :

Think about a Power jumper between a Numeric Keypad and the AC Adapter or some more substantial peripheral unit incorporating a more robust AC Adapter.

SonyDesign riegned supreme in the early PowerBook era and Apple finally got it right in the Duos,

jt =

p.s. Which was the first AppleDesign PB to feature SCSI Disk Mode after Sony proved the concept with the introduction of the BabyPB?

 

[LCGuy]

The first Apple PowerBook with SCSI Disk Mode would have have to have been the PowerBook 160, 165, 165c, 180 or 180c - I can confirm that the PowerBook 140 and 170 definitely do not have it.

 

[register]

I have heard that later Powerbooks, into the early G4 series even, used ADB internally for the trackpad. What would be involved in hooking into that, I have no idea.

Yes, that is the cause why some ADB driver code is hidden inside MacOS X even for the late Titanium PowerBooks. The lack of ADB driver support is the cause for the limited functionality of the Griffin iMate adapter in combination with recent systems.

 

[Bunsen]

I have heard that later Powerbooks, into the early G4 series even, used ADB internally for the trackpad. What would be involved in hooking into that, I have no idea.

all I'd probably have to do is hack the connector a/o cable connection to the TrackPad.

The complicating factor may be whether the ADB chipset is on the logic board, or the trackpad assembly.

keys and a spherically correct pointing device? }

Lovely

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

The first Apple PowerBook with SCSI Disk Mode would have have to have been the PowerBook 160, 165, 165c, 180 or 180c - I can confirm that the PowerBook 140 and 170 definitely do not have it.

All SECOND GEN'Books, I presume? I re-iterate: SonyDesign ruled the sub-notebook/notebook realm!

jt =8-D

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

I have heard that later Powerbooks, into the early G4 series even, used ADB internally for the trackpad. What would be involved in hooking into that, I have no idea.

Yes, that is the cause why some ADB driver code is hidden inside MacOS X even for the late Titanium PowerBooks. The lack of ADB driver support is the cause for the limited functionality of the Griffin iMate adapter in combination with recent systems.

Bingo! You guys amaze me alla' time!

jt = ;-)

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

I have heard that later Powerbooks, into the early G4 series even, used ADB internally for the trackpad. What would be involved in hooking into that, I have no idea.

all I'd probably have to do is hack the connector a/o cable connection to the TrackPad.

The complicating factor may be whether the ADB chipset is on the logic board, or the trackpad assembly.

It makes very little sense for them to do have done so. They had more design experience w/ADB design than with USB, its OpenStandard offspring and the driver hooks for ADB were already embedded in the system code as noted above by comrade register. Such a case would unnecessarily complicate the TorquemadaPad's PCB and interfacing with the mobo.

The reverse was the case of locating the T-Rex sub-system on the PCMCIA expansion chassis of the 1400. The inter-board connection was a standard subset of the preexisting slow '030 I/O subsystems of the mobo. its implementation on the REQUIRED daughtercard for the PC Card mechanism saved beaucoup real-estate on said mobo.

That being the case: think of the PC Card Cage of the 1400 as . . .

. . . an internal PowerBook Duo MiniDock! }

keys and a spherically correct pointing device? }

Lovely

Every aspect of the Paladin ProtoAIO+ WAS quite lovely!

jt =8-D