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MacIP router software?

Anonymous Freak

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Okay, I've been trying to find a proper way to set up a MacIP server (TCP/IP over LocalTalk,) and I'm at a loss. I have multiple versions of AppleShare, including "AppleShare IP 5", which, you would think, could do MacIP. But I can't find any way of enabling it. I have it 'multihoming', so that the actual AppleTalk networking (file sharing) is running over both LocalTalk and TCP/IP, but not only does it not do MacIP, it doesn't even bridge the two connections. (So, for example, I can't get my Ethernet-only machines to talk directly to my LocalTalk machines; I have to put the file on the AppleShare server from one machine, then get it from the server from the other.)

Anyone know of a way to get MacIP running, other than the $80 IPNetRouter?

 

Anonymous Freak

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Yeah, I looked at that, sorry, I guess I forgot to mention that Mac OS 8 compatibility would be greatly preferred, as I'm using a beige G3 with 8.0 as my server...

Although, if I ever get my Quadra 700s out of storage, I could throw it on one of those. So, where does one find Apple IP Gateway, anyway?

 

wood_e

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God I wish i knew the software a buddy of mine and I used way back when. We shared his Ethernet connection on his to 2 macs using localtalk. I'll see if I have a moment of clarity later....

 

beachycove

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A Gatorbox or the like might be an interesting solution to this if you could find one — but then again, what "solution" exactly is it that you want? Is it to get a Classic or the like on the internet, or to connect to an Intel Mac (that might or might not be possible with the Apple IP Gateway), or is it to allow a Classic or the like to network locally with something running X.3 or below? The devil's in the details.

For its part, as you have discovered, ASIP in no shape, form, or revision will serve as a proper Gateway from pure Appletalk/ localtalk to anything TCP/IP. It does "speak" both languages, but that's about it. ASIP's multihoming capability is therefore really not of much use, except perhaps in large Appletalk-only networks where two or more large segments need connections to a central server, either to improve performance or to overcome the inherent numerical limits of Appletalk networking. Nor will ASIP serve as an Appletalk Router (which is what you describe trying to make it do in the latter half of your post). ASIP can relate to machines running the two forms of Appletalk, but it cannot serve as a bridge in the strict sense between the other two machines. Merely installing the free Localtalk Bridge Control Panel on your beige G3 would get you farther than ASIP, as it would enable at least a bridge between localtalk and ethertalk segments on an Appletalk network. This should work tolerably well with all systems up to X.3.9, though I have found LT Bridge to be less than reliable myself.

My own typically Luddite solution to the networking conundrum is to run Apple Internet Router (much more robust than the LT Bridge that is a subset of it) and Apple IP Gateway on an energy-efficient LC475, which also does very well indeed as an Appleshare 4 Print Server. It all runs at the same time, on a basic installation of 7.1, and my little LC has never crashed once in 2 years of 24/7 use. I have not fully explored the use of the IP Gateway, truth be told, as I have as yet had no real need for it, but I have read somewhere online that someone or other used it successfully in bridging older machines running old system software to newer ones running X.4, in which, of course, pure Appletalk is no more. YMMV, as might mine if I ever got round to trying it out, but quite apart from all that, with either it or the Apple Internet Router, or both of them together on your Q700, you'd maybe get all you need.

PM me if further interested.

 
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Anonymous Freak

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What I specifically want is to be able to have older, Ethernet-challenged Macs surf the web. (Most notably a PowerBook Duo out of its dock, so that I can just plug it into a PhoneNet adapter and long phone cord, and surf the web.)

The ability to do straight file sharing directly between LocalTalk and Ethernet machines would be a nice secondary benefit, but not as big a deal. (If I can get to websites, the local file sharing isn't as urgent.)

 

macdownunder

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I'm currently using IPNetRouter on a Q950 with MacOS8.6 it allows MacIP routing plus a few other niceties.

Worth a look.

Regards,

Macdownunder

 

beachycove

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Why not just use dial-up if it's a Duo? It wouldn't cost you $80, and you'd soon get tired of using something like a Duo on the web, so it's not as if your phone bills will skyrocket.

Further to your query, however, I seem to remember seeing someone, somewhere using Apple IP Gateway for a similar purpose (I think it was actually to connect a compact Mac to the web as a server), but I think it might be IP Netrouter that you want, that you really, really want, as it at least dates from the era of the internet as we know it.

The Apple IP Gateway product works, as I recall, only with MacTCP. There's a pdf manual available on the Apple site for download if you "tunnel" in via TCP/IP, if you catch my Apple-talk drift.

 

Charlieman

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To run the oldest TCP/IP apps over LocalTalk, you'll need a router (software or hardware) that supports KIP (Kinetics Internet Protocol), the predecessor to MacIP. A Cayman Gatorbox or Kinetics Fastpath hardware router can do this. For a software solution, you'll have to test for yourself. I've heard that Apple IP Gateway supports KIP but have not tested it personally.

 
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