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Macintosh Complete! Doug Clapp

Mac128

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Once again danapplemacman has posted some excellent pictures at his eBay auction for Doug Clapp's book "Macintosh Complete!". There are some great pictures of a prototype Mac 128K with the original badge design.

If anyone wants to pick up a copy I found dozens at Amazon and Alibris and elsewhere for under $5.00 US.

 

slomacuser

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Well I found one used for $999.00 on Amazon !!! Anyway I can not buy one for $4 as Amazon wont shipp used books abroad ...

$999.00 + $3.99shipping | Used - Very Good | Seller: QUALITY7

 

JDW

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I concur with Mac128. I personally have found EBAY very useful to alerting me to books that I want, and I then go to Amazon to get reasonable prices. I got Macintosh Complete! for about $8 (plus rather pricey shipping to Japan) that way.

But one Doug Clapp book I want very badly is no where to be found. I've had an Amazon pre-order open on it for the past 3 years, offering $75 for it in only "Acceptable" condition: The Macintosh Hacker's Bible. It's a real shame that excellent vintage computing books like this are impossible to find now. No doubt it must be able in local libraries in the US, but for those of us outside the US (especially here in Japan), there is no access whatsoever to those tomes.

 

Mac128

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But one Doug Clapp book I want very badly is no where to be found. The Macintosh Hacker's Bible. No doubt it must be able in local libraries in the US,
Yes, for once that is a book that could appear on eBay under the moniker "RARE" and truly be apropos. But don't get too much envy about our local US libraries having the title. I just checked with the Los Angeles County library, the UCLA and USC libraries and the book is no where to be found, though they have plenty of other Doug Clapp titles. I would imagine a book with "Hacker" in the title might not have received as wide acceptance by accredited institutions.

 

JDW

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Perhaps what slomacuser meant was that Amazon "won't force sellers to ship outside the USA." That's really too bad. Amazon has control over sellers in many ways, and they could easily force them to sell overseas. If a seller refuses, they simply would be banned from being listed on the Amazon site.

EBAY has the same problem. There have been quite a number of items I wanted to purchase in the past, but the seller just wouldn't sell overseas. It's almost always due to "fear and ignorance." Many people cite "fraud" but in reality there is just as much of that within the US as their is outside it. I should know, I've been in the business of selling electronic products worldwide for nearly 15 years now. I personally have found that so long as you ignore emails from Nigeria and Indonesia and be very cautious about emails from the Philippines and Singapore, you're probably going to have a safe transaction. But we also have the benefit of a very strict credit card check via our bank. We dial up our bank, give them the card information, and they perform an extensive check while we are on the phone. They always catch the bad cards this way. We've never had a case where we've charged money to a bad card. But regardless, there is no such thing as a "risk free business." To avoid international sales due to "fear" or "risk" is evidence that the seller does not understand how to do good business.

Anyway, if any of you have Doug Clapp's Hacker's Bible, please contact me. I know you won't want to part with it, but perhaps we could talk about scanning some pages (for historical preservation purposes, of course).

 

joshc

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Anyway, if any of you have Doug Clapp's Hacker's Bible, please contact me. I know you won't want to part with it, but perhaps we could talk about scanning some pages (for historical preservation purposes, of course).
I second this - hopefully we can find someone with enough spare time to scan the entire book. ;)

 

trag

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I second this - hopefully we can find someone with enough spare time to scan the entire book. ;)
"Macintosh Hacker's Bible" is apparently available from a library in New Hampshire by interlibrary loan. That is the one and only copy that the ILL system shows. I put in a request. If I get it and if I have time during the two weeks that I have access to the book, I'll make a scan of it.

 

dclapp

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Jeez, Guys! I can get you copies of Macintosh: Complete! WAY CHEAPER!!! And about that "Macintosh Hacker's Bible"? It doesn't exist. Never did. I have NO idea how that spurious title escaped. It was started by the would-be publisher, Scott-Foresman, who thought (I think) that they'd one day have that title. But they never did; I never wrote it (sadly -- I would have loved to read it; long ago!)

Just so you know. Thanks for keeping the flame alive, guys!

Doug Clapp

 

JDW

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Mr. Clapp, to say "thank you" for your recent post would probably the the understatement of the year. I am quite certain that most of us here at 68kMLA, especially those of us in this particular thread, feel humbled and honored to have you chime in on this particular topic.

I currently own and have read your "Macintosh Complete!" book and I consider it an excellent vintage Macintosh tome. For that reason I had long sought after the much coveted "Hacker's Bible" in hopes of reading something about vintage Macs which I had never seen before. So today it is quite an amazing revelation that such a book never was written! That would also help to explain why trag has not gotten back to us with scans of the book from his local library. Simply incredible.

Thank you for your post today and for your excellent books on vintage Macs (the one's that do exist).

James Wages

 

trag

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That would also help to explain why trag has not gotten back to us with scans of the book from his local library.
That was not from my local library. I am in Austin, TX. The Inter-Library Loan System (ILL) indicated that there was a single copy available from a library in New Hampshire. Using the ILL, I put in a request with my local library to borrow the book, but have heard nothing back yet. That is not unusual. ILL requests can take weeks to process. Two books I requested on hand built gliders took about a month each and one of those came from a library system in Texas.

Given that Mr. Clapp says the book does not exist, I wonder what the library in New Hampshire actually has. Perhaps a card catalog entry with no actual book to go with it?

 

Dog Cow

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Given that Mr. Clapp says the book does not exist, I wonder what the library in New Hampshire actually has. Perhaps a card catalog entry with no actual book to go with it?
Oops, that's the same one I just ordered about 10 minutes ago. :p
 

trag

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Given that Mr. Clapp says the book does not exist, I wonder what the library in New Hampshire actually has. Perhaps a card catalog entry with no actual book to go with it?
Oops, that's the same one I just ordered about 10 minutes ago. :p

Well, I checked the status of my ILL request just now and it was canceled on Sep. 25th with a note that the only listed copy was with a commercial vendor. I'm not quite sure what commercial vendors are doing in the ILL listing or WorldCat entries, but I have never studied the system.

I did not get a notification of the cancellation by email though which surprises me. However, the ILL notifications share many traits with SPAM email (e.g. Subject: Your Loan Request) so it may have been filtered. I just checked my trash but it only goes back to 10am on Sep. 25 and the cancellation was around 8:5x AM on Sep. 25th.

Missed it by that much, if there was an email. I would have liked to find the email so I could whitelist it.

 

Dog Cow

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Mine was sent via the local library's email system; the library from which I placed the request.

 

Dog Cow

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Hey guys, guess who got the Macintosh! Complete book! I did, bwahahaa!!! }:)

I just read the first 7 or so chapters last evening. It's a rather bizarre book, but rather fascinating too because it was written with pre-release software.

Oh, and I also ordered the hacker book, but it came back as "item could not be found" or something similar.

 

JDW

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I am still saddened that the Macintosh Hacker's Bible doesn't exist. But since Mr. Clapp made time to post here about it, perhaps he would take a trip back to memory lane and write it for us? :)

 
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