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Mac IIvx Saved from Scrappage! (and some others)

Superdos

Well-known member
Friend of mine a few streets over has a scrapmetal business running out of his garage-- he buys old computer equipment, AC's, Fridges, etc. for scrap pricing from people that want it gone and makes a profit on it.

He called me up Friday afternoon and said "I have some space-age looking Macs here you should come take a look at."

So I pocket my newly-acquired Lumia phone (arguably a bad decision, should have taken a real camera but I wanted to test that one out!) run over in my mother's van (since my car seems to be having transmission issues... but that's another rant for another time.) and find him and his father outside ripping CRT monitors apart for the copper inside. He's 40 and in a wheelchair, paralyzed from the waist down after a tree acident, so any help he can get in at least removing SOME of the mahcines that are at least usable to someone before going and profiting off of it is a godsend, I guess (but he'll still charge you a bit for them since he does need to get ROI on it in either case.) over on the left... Macs. Beige, white and silver. in all there were:

  • PowerMac G4 GigE Dual 500MHz/256MB/no HDD, CTO unit
  • PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25GHz/2GB/80GB, standard unit with RAM upgrade
  • iMac G5 1.6GHz/768MB/80GB
  • eMac, unknown, didn't bother with the boat anchor. :p
  • PowerMac G3 Beige Tower
  • Quadra 630
  • PowerMac 7500/100
  • PowerMac 7300/200
  • PowerMac 9500
  • Mac IIvx w/230MB HDD and NuBus Network Card
IIvx was put off to the side, looked in the G4's which need a bit of cleaning but will fix up fine, and the iMac, no popped caps in that one.

I checked out the 7500, 7300, 9500, G3 all for damage and was able to save the drives and cards from them, not including the CPU cards. left the RAM, all small amounts.

The IIvx... Well...

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Yeah. that bad. I was told this was on the shop floor of a stainless steel fab place that made grills.

put the IIvx, G4's and the iMac plus all the pulled parts into the trunk and left. none of the others were worth saving, not even the 9500. everything was too badly battered or was missing plastics or both.

the 9500 was in regrettable condition inside. I have no pictures to show and glad I don't-- it's not something anyone wanted to see. the 630 was completely de-plastic'd, dirty, and had dents and dings in the steel. I did salvage the 33MHz 68040 out of it, however.

That said, I took the IIvx to the gas station and blew out all the dust for 75 cents at the air compressor. After doing so.... I noticed brown globs around the capacitors:

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After some investigating with a toothpick, it looks like the solder under the goop has survived as well as the traces-- this means that the dust inside saved the board from any real harm, or at least noticeable harm. I'm going to have to give it a thorough washing, but it SHOULD clean up good. After that, it's probably going to be recap time-- I'm told Uniserver is the person to see about that, if I feel I can't do the job myself, and I'm no novice to recaps; I just don't want to ruin something like this. Old Macintosh logic boards, be it of a Performa 6320CD or the earliest of 128K's, are sacred things indeed. they need the utmost love and care across their lifetime to ensure years of computing awesomeness.

I have not gotten to do any runs through the dishwasher yet, that's coming up tomorrow or Wednesday. after it's dry, I'll see what I can do about capacitors.

Can anyone list me all the capacitors on the board of a IIvx, and what I should be using in terms of the capacitor package? Once I figure that all out and do some test soldering on a junk IIci board I have (unrecoverable corrosion damage to multiple areas) I'll probably be okay.

in the end, I left there with the IIvx which I'm keeping and needs love... the G4's and the iMac G5 are probably going to be fixed up to sell. When that time comes, I'll post those over in the Trading Post, probably-- they're going to clean up very nicely.

Pics from my little excursion to my friend's place exist here. (with blown-off images of the IIvx in the CleanedIIvx folder)

I'm told everything else went to the scrapyard yesterday. there were also some Imagewriters and some old CRT Apple monitors thrown in-- nothing special and nothing not-scratched. the cinema display pictured was cracked.

 
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Cory5412

Daring Pioneer of the Future
Staff member
Congratulations on the haul, and it looks like some of those NewWorld systems are going to clean up nicely as well, especially if you found an iMac G5 that had already been recapped or has yet to need it, which is fairly uncommon in my experience.

 

Superdos

Well-known member
Good luck with them! I despair for machines left to operate in bad atmospheric conditions.
I'm completely surprised at the cleanliness of the iMac G5 and the GigE G4, they're the cleanest of the bunch (and probably why the G5 hasn't suffered from cap plague yet). the MDD needs its own run to the gas station for blowing out, but I hooked it up a couple nights ago and it does work, as does the G5. the GigE G4 does not boot, it only beeps at me in disgust. probably RAM issue, but didn't have time to dive into it more. Will later this week.  had to even swap video cards with the GigE so I could get the MDD running on a screen, as I didn't have any spare DVI cables.

I'm actually considering swapping all the RAM and stuff from the dual 450 GigE G4 in the closet with the 500 and selling the 450... it's a lot cleaner and isn't missing the front panel doors.

...unless someone can point me in the right direction for a replacement to the front panel bay doors.

Since I used to see this sort of thing in printing company offices with the dust , I can only assume that the iMac was in its own office a couple rooms away from the main shop floor doors into the office, the GigE was closer and the MDD even closer if not right on the other side of the door. I suspect they used all the older beige boxes on the shop floor or just never cleaned them, as again, they were extremely filthy just like the IIvx and in deplorable condition internally as stated for the select few.

As far as I can tell, the IIvx is going to be very interesting once I get it running... the G4 had old tax return info and stuff on the desktop, and at least one drive from one of the other beige macs I pulled had some older stuff.

Nothing of any interest to me, but the older software titles on them are what I'm really after. the userdata can do die in the fire pit for all I care.

I probably also should have mentioned that the IIvx also came with an AppleCD 600E in enclosure, working, with all applicable cables. so I'm hoping someone upgraded it to 7.5.5 or 7.6.1 by now.

 

finkmac

NORTHERN TELECOM
I got a IIvx recently… Unfortunately, the maxell battery had blown!

Not sure if the board is a complete write-off yet.

 

Superdos

Well-known member
I got a IIvx recently… Unfortunately, the maxell battery had blown!

Not sure if the board is a complete write-off yet.
mine's been kept relatively dusty so no moisture was able to get in... I'm sure that's why the battery didn't explode.

the lithium Li-SOCl2 batteries do NOT like getting wet. Thankfully Radioshack is nearby and the only thing they're good for anymore is those silly 1/2AA batteries in a pinch.

Saft, too. good, trusted brand.

Let us forum-folk know how that turns out-- Another IIvx resurrection happening at the same time as my own... who would've thought the chances!

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On another note, I'm getting ready to drop the motherboard into the dishwasher in a little while.  we shall finally learn its fate.

and if it is deemed unworthy to survive, I'll use parts from it to reinvigorate the Quadra 700 in storage. but the IIvx will most likely be getting all the love here-- a Radius Thunder IV GX or an 8-24 GC will be heading into it as well, since I do happen to have both to choose from. now all I need to see is if they made 10/100 NuBus Ethernet cards or not.

 

NJRoadfan

Well-known member
I don't think they made 10/100 cards for Nubus, if they did, it would be NuBus-90 compatible.

Be prepared for how SLOW the IIvx is. Despite having a faster 32Mhz CPU on paper and that fancy internal CD-ROM drive compatible case, its a real dog of a machine performance-wise (thanks Apple for the 16Mhz bus). The older 25Mhz IIci blows it away in speed....and leaves it in the dust....... oh wait.

 

IIfx

Well-known member
The IIvx sure is an odd duck. I had one, still have the case as the case is mint. Logic Board flat out died long ago, and taking bad advice I tried washing it. It will probably never live again. :-/

When it did work, it was slow. Not as slow as an LCII/I but pretty bad. Apple could have had a winner on their hands if they did not cripple the bus.  Expandable, decent CPU, solid case and a CD ROM drive.

 

Superdos

Well-known member
IT LIVES!

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I am mega ecstatic-- and surprised. I started it cold after hairdryer'ing the motherboard to bone dry status and then some after a 2hr wash in the dishwasher.

Here's the video I made afterwards of the first start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF-CZAmWHXg

I'm far from done with this thing though. the plastics are still all dirty and the metal too; I need to figure where I put that simple green bottle I know has been hiding in the back of a cabinet.

Hard drive is very healthy-sounding with the normal amount of whine you'd expect (a bit quieter than I expected, though) from that era of hard drives. Still also need to go grab a battery for it, but most likely not yet. it is a little slow doing some operations but it reminds me of the old family quadra 630AV... it was slowed down with a bunch of necessary extensions my father had installed for work stuff even with the max amount of RAM installed.

never did remember what happened to that thing.

 

CC_333

Well-known member
Congratulations!

It is really gratifying when a machine gets brought back to life, especially when it is thought to be a lost cause.

I have a IIvx (or vi? Can't remember), although I've never used it (I took it out of its box like once or twice over the last year or two, and I've never powered it on), but when I eventually do, I'm sure it'll be slow! It's supposedly in very good condition, and comes with many of it's accoutrements, but I just sort of want to keep it in its box for protection.

Enjoy your new found treasure!

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Elfen

Well-known member
Congrats on the IIvx. Seen the Vid, interesting I must say. It sure needs a recap. What will you do with it when it's done?

 

Superdos

Well-known member
Congrats on the IIvx. Seen the Vid, interesting I must say. It sure needs a recap. What will you do with it when it's done?
Most likely use it to play those games which either run too fast on my PowerTower or refuse to run on anything but 68k, at least properly. and there were a few classics that did that.

That, and IRC, since it does have an Ethernet card already. I'm a big IRC nut. not really a regular in #68kmla but I definitely am on quite a few other networks. running IRC clients on older machines is a thing for me.

Once I get home from errands today, I'll be going to the garage to retrieve the Thunder IV GX. I think it may be the safer option of that and the 8-24GC when dealing with 7.6.1.

I could also downgrade, but why bother with that? I have 7.6.1 without trying too much. I read somewhere that the 8-24GC plays nicely with some ROM versions, but has glitchy menus. can anyone confirm this?

 

Superdos

Well-known member
I have an update!

went over to pick up a computer from the guy so I can set it up with XP so he could give it to his uncle, who does semi-professional car racing and needs an XP machine to interface to the programmer and diagnostics stuff with software. So, I look and I found he had ANOTHER 9500 on the other side of the garage door! it's also in deplorable condition on the outside, but the inside is pretty clean-ish. the case is a bit on the tattered side. I'm going to see if I can get it from him as payment for the XP install and cleanup on the one box (an OptiPlex 755 with a  Pentium E2160 and 4GB of RAM.) he should be more than willing since the machine is just steel scrap and old yellowed ABS plastic. that and I've already shown him the pictures of my cleanup job on the dishwasher'd IIvx and he's impressed at the meticulousness of the cleaning I did, so far as to put it in the dishwasher, at least. first he ever heard of such a thing happening (he's in no way an expert, he just deals with them as scrap most days.)

Sufficed to say, I may have a PowerMac 9500 by week's end. if not, hey, I'll see if I can at least grab a couple of parts from it. it seems pretty well endowed inside as far as parts go... I just need to swap the outer case with the other 9500 and I have me a beastly machine. I may even go as far as swapping all the parts over to it from the PowerTower Pro 250. 4 more RAM slots mean I can up it to 1.5GB of RAM easy instead of the gig the other box is limited at. it'd also give me an excuse to drop the new ATX PSU I have for the PTP in with just the SATA card and some drives (with proper SATA power connectors from the PSU!) and use that as some sort of server/Linux box. I haven't messed with Linux on an oldworld mac in a LONG time and I think I'm overdue. gotta get me a nice PPC kernel rolled and see if it's any good anymore.

As far as the IIvx goes, I tried to start it up today and the hard drive gave me a bit of a fit as to if it was going to start up again-- it spun up but it didn't do the self-test. I'm getting ready to do another bootup with another drive in the chain to clone the system to so I don't have any worries on that wonderful install of 7.6.1 falling between my fingers.

More as it happens. off to install XP on that PC with me.

 

Superdos

Well-known member
Just a quickie update. the IIvx still lives. I dropped a 1GB Quantum in and cloned the system over to it. the speed difference for bootup and program loading was like night and day. makes me wonder if a really crap hard drive was just used in these things. the 1GB quantum is SO MUCH FASTER at loading up 7.6 than the 230 was in every which way, it's amazing.

Dropped onto IRC with it yesterday, too:

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Still have yet to re-cap it or have the money to do so.

also tried my 8/24GC card in it, got some interesting results with a working monitor:

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...which turned out to be a bad stick of RAM. after removing the problem stick...:

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works great! but afterwards it doesn't seem to like my Dell monitor...:

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Sync-on-Green much?

 

TheWhiteFalcon

Well-known member
Wasn't just about everything in the IIvx low end/mismatched? I thought it and the IIvi were just thrown together so Scully didn't look like an idiot for Apple not having machines with integrated CD-ROM drives.

 
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wilykat

Well-known member
If it looks too green, look for Basic Color Monitor extension and toss it in System folder. It'll disable sync on green and make PC monitor a little more colorful.

 

Superdos

Well-known member
If it looks too green, look for Basic Color Monitor extension and toss it in System folder. It'll disable sync on green and make PC monitor a little more colorful.
I'll look into that, thanks. also going to see if it'd be worth my time to try the monitors & Sound control panel... that seemed to work better for me in the past instead of the two seperate control panels.

Wasn't just about everything in the IIvx low end/mismatched? I thought it and the IIvi were just thrown together so Scully didn't look like an idiot for Apple not having machines with integrated CD-ROM drives.
Pretty sure it was. but after a hard drive upgrade, it's a pretty decent machine. No real speed issues, just gotta get rolling on loading it up with programs. Now that I have the powertower and other Misc Macs running, I can do that without a hitch. and then once it's happy, I'll make it happier with a re-cap.

OH, I should probably ask this while it's relevant-- Should I need to re-cap the PSU at all? the fan is still good, but the PSU wasn't touched when I did the full cleanout. the most it's gotten is the air-dusting that the whole machine got when I took it to the gas station and used the pump for that.

 

lopaka1998

Active member
Yes - recap the psu.  Otherwise the power coming out of it may be somewhat unstable - which can cause problems down the road.

OH, I should probably ask this while it's relevant-- Should I need to re-cap the PSU at all? the fan is still good, but the PSU wasn't touched when I did the full cleanout. the most it's gotten is the air-dusting that the whole machine got when I took it to the gas station and used the pump for that.
 
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