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Leave Mac on continously

Should I shut my Mac down or Leave it running?

  • Shut it down when done

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  • Leave it on 24/7 like I'm currently doing

    Votes: 1 100.0%

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GR8GIFT

Member
Hi I have all the computors that I use running 24/7 they are never shut down. Good or bad idea? Should I be shutting them down when I'm done using them, once a day or just pretty much never shut them down as I'm doing now.

I have pretty much had my Centris 610 (now with a Quadra 610 mother board) in it running constantly since 1993.

 

aftermac

Well-known member
I leave my most frequently used computers (home PM G4, work PM G4, and iBook G4) on all the time. My iBook sleeps when I'm not using it, but I don't think I've actually shut it down in 2.5 years. My work G4 has been on almost continuously since January 2002. My home G4 I shut down if I'm going out of town for more than a couple days.

I don't know if it's right or wrong, but it's a heck of a lot more convenient.

 

MacMan

Well-known member
There's several schools of thought on this one. Technically it is better to leave a computer running as it eliminates the stress on the power supply and other components during startup.

However I have a hunch that if a machine is run constantly, ultimately it will "wear out" more quickly. Also there is the issue of electricity - if you're paying an electricity bill for a house with several computers running constantly in it you will know that is can be no trifle. That may not be an issue in America but it certainly is in the UK.

Again though, some people shut down their computer once they've finished doing a certain task (on the internet for example) and then start their computer up later on to carry out another task. Some people will shut down and start up their computer about a dozen times a day. This is not good for the machine and obviously creates the inconvenience of waiting for the user.

I tend to only have the machines on that I am using or know I will be using in the near future. If I know I won't need a machine for a long time, (say more than a day), I will shut it down to conserve power. I shut down my main machine (the G4) every night once I'm finished with it.

This may be because of the fact that I am of the British conservation culture which is probably not as strong in the States.

So, in answer to the initial question, I reckon that a user should think ahead of what they'll be doing with their computers and shut down any computers that they know are going to be idle for a long period until they need them again.

 

aftermac

Well-known member
My electric bill is usually $50 - $60 (U.S.) every month, which is probably about average for the U.S. This also includes a 100 Watt bulb for my turtle that is on about 12 hours per day.

I also charge my iBook at work and use is on battery at home. I use it for work quite a bit, so I don't find this unethical. :)

The front panel board and one of the built-in USB ports on my home G4 are shot. So, I have to unplug my Pro keyboard and plug in an older keyboard with a power button to turn it on (this is how a got my "non-working" G4 for free). My USB 2.0 card doesn't support keyboard power-on. It's a minor inconvenience, but it's enough to keep me from turning it off at night. It's also nice if I need to access it from work.

 

Scott Baret

Well-known member
I sleep my newer Macs because I use them so much. Often I need to use my e-mail when I'm doing tech support over the phone so I need them at my fingertips at all time. Also, I find OS X and OS 9 way too slow to boot up (though both are better than Windows).

I don't run old Macs all the time and only put them on when I need to in order to save the components.

I don't really care about how much power I use keeping the Macs in sleep mode. I need the comfort of convenience. I don't run A/C much at all in the summer and like the flourescent bulbs so I save some energy that way, which makes up for any difference from the average guy's electric bill.

 

equill

Well-known member
This one got an airing before (... The Fall?), and promptly polarized itself into the Greens, the Pale Heliotropes and the Browns.

Every functional Mac that I own (30+) is permanently connected to the mains to get its battery-sparing dribble. Those that are in use full-time (~5) are always running, even if they are often sleeping. Only the hulks, corpses and maybe somedays in the garage are not powered at all. The 30-odd Macs in my wife's and my studies take enough edge off the cold to make all-night vigils at this time of year just tolerable.

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Scott Baret

Well-known member
^ I hear you about the heat...

When I was in high school they kept the thermostat pretty cold in the winter to save some money. If you wanted to warm up and didn't want to stand under the bathroom hand dryer for five minutes during your study hall, you went to the computer lab. It was always warm and smelled of CRTs...ahh, I love that smell.

I ought to retire my space heater and just put my hands on top of my Plus whenever I get cold at home...

 

Dan 7.1

Well-known member
i don't think its a good idea. unless you are home all of the time and actually using it, or have it setup as a fileserver or the like it makes much more logical sense to turn it off if you are going to be away for several hours. no point in leaving a computer on if you're at school or work, for instance.

 
I sleep my G5 when I'm not using it. I had an uptime of nearly a month once, but always some update forces a restart. My mom does the same thing with her G4 iMac. She used to use a Power Mac 6500 and that thing could go for months without a reboot.

The other computers I use sparingly so they are turned off. In my new apartment my roommates and I are going to set up a Mac (probably a Beige G3 or something) as a file server so it will be on 24/7.

 

MacMan

Well-known member
My G4 generates a good bit of heat when it's been on for a while and can often bring the temperature of the room up a couple of degrees C. It gets too much in my (rather small) university bedroom though and for a while last year the temperature of the room was averaging 30C with the G4 on.

 

david63

Active member
I always leave my machines on during the day but switch them off at night. I've always switched off electrical equipment when I'm not using it.

 

Unknown_K

Well-known member
Surface mount tin can capacitors have a rating in x1000 hours powered on, so keeping a machine running 24/7 will make those parts die sooner.

Turning a computer on and off 50 times a day might shorten its life a little.

I would think powering the computer on when you need it and shutting it down at night or when you are going out for a while is the best thing to do.

 

Charlieman

Well-known member
Judging by the comments from MacMan and David63 versus the other posters, I think that a distinct energy use culture is being displayed. In Europe, we generally switch stuff off when it will not be used shortly. Electricity is expensive in Europe, but there are still some people who haven't worked out why their bills are so expensive: just turn it off and save money.

The "wear and tear" argument is a bit of a myth. In "ye really old days of micro computing", switching off frequently was bad. But that hasn't been true for twenty years. There are exceptions, of course. A company for whom I worked ran a Corvus hard disk continuously, because it didn't like being turned off. But temperamental hardware like that is unusual and my old computers are much healthier because they don't whir, spin and generate heat unnecessarily.

At the same time, don't get over obsessed by energy saving. One of my religiously green colleagues goes around in the evening switching off TFT monitors that are in "power on, no signal mode". Over a couple of evenings, I measured how much energy this exercise saved: 0.01 KWh per night, cost saving £0.0006. My colleague's blog proclaims that if this delays a worker by two seconds when they start their computer in the morning, it is still a worthwhile saving. Wrong. Two seconds of my work time costs my employer orders of magnitude more than £0.0006.

And a further, at the same time... Modern Macs are very efficient in sleep mode, but it is not an excuse for leaving them on. Wake up time from sleep: 10 seconds. Startup time from cold: maximum 240 seconds. Sleep mode provides a 230 second difference in availability, but for all of the sleep time, you've been giving money to your electricity supplier. Pointlessly. If the loss of 230 seconds of home life is distressing, flip to YouTube on another computer and watch inane videos that defy Darwinism. Shutdown if the Mac will not be used for a while; use sleep when you expect to use it.

 

Charlieman

Well-known member
My G4 generates a good bit of heat when it's been on for a while and can often bring the temperature of the room up a couple of degrees C. It gets too much in my (rather small) university bedroom though and for a while last year the temperature of the room was averaging 30C with the G4 on.
Hmm, I need to do some experiments. I measured power consumption for a G3 Beige, and working hard it consumed 65 watts. Alas, I don't have figures for a G4 yet but I'll make an effort to get them.

 
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