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Katheryn's Macintosh SE/30 saga

alectrona2988

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Hello!! If you don't know I'm simply someone who likes messing with old electronics.
Back in March of 2023, someone in a Discord server I was once in was giving away some parts of their collection, and I was lucky enough to call dibs on a Macintosh SE/30 with a RasterOps Colorboard/264. Just one catch: all machines were being sent away as-is, and obviously that includes the gamble of bombed or not bombed.
This is a story of be doing a couple stupid things early on, and more recently, a work-in-progress resurrection.
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^ This is the machine when I first got it. It looks a bit worse than it does on camera, because the case is yellowed and a small part of it had been chipped off at some point. Not sure if I will ever have the equipment to do retr0brighting since I'm a disorganized mess, but at least it isn't horrible...
The board however is a different story. THANKFULLY, it wasn't battery bombed. However, this wouldn't be a vintage electronics repair without multiple failed capacitors and chips. And of course, this wouldn't be a typical Katheryn repair job without screwing up; ask me how I know...
Oh well. Practice makes perfect. Anyways, I did get the capacitors replaced, and the machine did boot! But then I noticed something very wrong... the floppy drive didn't work. Also, I had to remove the Colorboard to even get the machine to work, and upon further inspection some traces might be shot. Fun.
So what did I do to try fixing the problem with the floppy drive? Assume the worst and remove SEVERAL of the QFP chips that were near the ports. Tried soldering them back on and got the infamous Simasimac; I am by no means surprised by my own stupidity. And my crappy soldering equipment. Some of you may have seen a thread about solder pads being ripped off. And honestly, now that I think of it, I blame the capacitors too; I believe those leaking have caused some areas to be weaker. I could be very wrong, but that's also why this board had trouble working. A lot of the solder joints on the board were tainted, and were not something that was easy to fix.
So I put the project on hold for 11 months. Recently, I wanted to gather the parts for it since I was thinking of resurrecting it after almost a year of it not working. I could have repaired the original motherboard, but I wanted to start over essentially. I wanted to ensure that I would have a board that wasn't going to potentially develop MORE problems, and also something with fresh, clean, and most importantly, serviceable soldering. A lot of those original joints were PAINFUL to work with, at least with how I did it earlier.
Recently, I kinda went into panic mode thinking if I would EVER finish this project. As many of you know, the SE/30 is one of the most highly sought-after computers ever made. Yeah, this is NOT your average compact mac! Sure, the Classic II sounds like it's equivalent on paper, but oh ho ho... believe me, it is not.~
Mercifully, @jajan547 had reached out to me saying they had a spare SE/30 Reloaded board they could sell me. Moments later, I bought it, and recently, I have worked tirelessly on it.
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After some preparation, a bag of Jolly Time Blast O' Butter (not sponsored lmao), and ensuring I won't die from lead poisoning by allowing proper ventilation in my room, I set off to work and so far, this is how far I've managed to come. I'll need to buy parts for the board since not everything is just going to slot right in. I had to wrestle the donor a bit to get some parts off, but so far I am pleased with how this is going. The PLCC sockets weren't put on by me as were 90% of the passives under the board (I did transfer the ferrite beads), but it honestly looks great so far! And the pads are something I WON'T suffer with! Though I am curious, where could I find PLCC sockets for all the QFP chips and what ROM chips could I find? Ideally, I would like a 32-bit clean ROM.
More coming later. I have a busy life and honestly I procrastinated a bit to do some work on this. :^))
 

JC8080

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I just wrapped up my SE/30 build, I used @croissantking BOM from another thread, linked. I did not end up using the PLCC sockets, there seem to be two schools of thought on them. Having the sockets does make it easier to troubleshoot bad chips by swapping them out with known-good chips, however it also introduces another possible layer of failure with each of those chips, as you may have legs that are not making good contact with the socket. This is especially true with chips pulled from the donor board, any solder remaining on the legs can cause a poor connection with the pins in the socket.

Do you have a hot air rework station? Having one will make your life much easier, especially removing parts from the donor board. It may be possible to remove PLCC chips without hot air, but I'm not sure how. I bought mine from Amazon for $40 (link). I also very strongly recommend a microscope, you can pick up digital ones from Amazon for under $100, I used it to check all my solder joints.

I really enjoyed the project, just take your time and don't be in a hurry.
 

alectrona2988

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i've put the project on hold for a while, i need to focus more on the rest of my college semester... but right now not much has changed. i'll need to place quite the mouser order and i'd like to get some better soldering equipment... i did try soldering a PLCC chip (the FPU) but oh dear it was difficult... don't know if i got everything in, which is why i like the idea of PLCC sockets because if something doesn't work i can easily switch it out rather than screaming bloody murder to get everything into contact... lol. i'll also go ahead and clean up the chip pins so it'll make better contact... theres some oxidization for sure. those caps really did a number on the original board's traces and solder points after all.
 

robin-fo

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Welp... I just spent $150 total on components (ICs, PLCC sockets, SIMM sockets, etc.) for this build. ;-;
I know how you feel.. Bought a SE/30 in unknown state for $200.. It was battery bombed. Bought five reloaded boards (minimum order quantity); again -200$. Bought components for two boards. Probably -200$ again. Assembled most of it in a 14 hours nonstop shift. Didn't want to boot. Put it aside for many weeks. Checked some signals and found the clock to be pulled to VCC (or GND, don‘t remember). Checked the schematics, there was only one place where the two signals are next to each other: At the FPU. Inspected the PLCC socket there: Everything alright… looked again: A microscopic wire of solder braid bridged the pins! Removed it. Death Chime! Horizontal stripes! Checked all signals, no progress for months.. Put in new RAM.. Chime! Booting was still limited to ROMinator (?) due to lack of RTC chip. Adapted a PLCC RTC chip from a Mac Classic. Everything as expected, but this is no final solution I am happy with. Tried the ATTiny replacement. Didn‘t work (at this time). Ordered a NOS RTC from the U.S. for rip-off shipping costs. Again -$100!!! (You can now get these from Aliexpress for <$1 IIRC). Mostly satisfied now except for transient screen artefacts which I fixed recently.

But I now have a machine I can be proud of!
 

finkmac

NORTHERN TELECOM
you could always forgo the PLCC sockets and just solder the PLCCs to the board. i've never soldered those sockets on myself but I've been told they are not fun...
 

alectrona2988

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I wanted the PLCC sockets because I personally hate soldering the chips in, but the tradeoff works if I do have a bad chip that needs to be replaced. I've soldered a PLCC socket before, I cut the floor of the socket out and then solder the pins one by one. I'll then tack the floor of the socket back in. I've never had too much luck with my hot air station, unfortunately.
 

imactheknife

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I know how you feel.. Bought a SE/30 in unknown state for $200.. It was battery bombed. Bought five reloaded boards (minimum order quantity); again -200$. Bought components for two boards. Probably -200$ again. Assembled most of it in a 14 hours nonstop shift. Didn't want to boot. Put it aside for many weeks. Checked some signals and found the clock to be pulled to VCC (or GND, don‘t remember). Checked the schematics, there was only one place where the two signals are next to each other: At the FPU. Inspected the PLCC socket there: Everything alright… looked again: A microscopic wire of solder braid bridged the pins! Removed it. Death Chime! Horizontal stripes! Checked all signals, no progress for months.. Put in new RAM.. Chime! Booting was still limited to ROMinator (?) due to lack of RTC chip. Adapted a PLCC RTC chip from a Mac Classic. Everything as expected, but this is no final solution I am happy with. Tried the ATTiny replacement. Didn‘t work (at this time). Ordered a NOS RTC from the U.S. for rip-off shipping costs. Again -$100!!! (You can now get these from Aliexpress for <$1 IIRC). Mostly satisfied now except for transient screen artefacts which I fixed recently.

But I now have a machine I can be proud of!
Wow, crazy! Good job:)
 

alectrona2988

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Just got all the components in, and I did manage to also find a ROM SIMM slot and some 30-pin SIMM slots. The SIMM slots were actually in closer pairs to what the original ones were, so I had to painstakingly split them. Not the prettiest but it was way cheaper than buying the individual slots. I may have missed something in the BOM since I only bought what I really needed.. but are there replacement parts for UB12 and UC12?
 

Phipli

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Yes they are painful to solder, but can also be incredibly helpful for troubleshooting.
I wanted the PLCC sockets because I personally hate soldering the chips in, but the tradeoff works if I do have a bad chip that needs to be replaced. I've soldered a PLCC socket before, I cut the floor of the socket out and then solder the pins one by one. I'll then tack the floor of the socket back in. I've never had too much luck with my hot air station, unfortunately.
Just a thought on this, sockets are great when you expect to make changes, but they're also one of the most common causes of faults. If you're adding several hundred sprung contacts to your board, it only takes one dirty pin or badly seated chip, or bent pin to ruin your day. Faulty chips are quite a bit less common than socket issues, especially if you're putting recovered chips in a socket!

But it's not the end of the world :) just prefer to have reliable connections when I build something.
 

alectrona2988

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I see... I just get nervous when I solder the PLCC chips because I can't exactly see where pins could be bridged if possible. While I have increased chances of poor connections... it would be easier to sort those out rather than re-soldering the chips several times. Maybe I'm missing something.
 

Phipli

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I see... I just get nervous when I solder the PLCC chips because I can't exactly see where pins could be bridged if possible. While I have increased chances of poor connections... it would be easier to sort those out rather than re-soldering the chips several times. Maybe I'm missing something.
After soldering 30 PLCC chips you make fewer bridges :LOL:
 

alectrona2988

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Perhaps if the PLCC sockets don't work out... I could practice resoldering PLCCs on other boards I have. Still a bit of a tall order, because I can be a bit clumsy with some of these things >_<
 
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