IRC Behavioural Issues.

[Mr. 680x0]

That being said, I am frankly pissed at your behaviour and have NEVER ever gone into a room so uninviting.

You really think that's bad? I've dealt with much worse. At least they don't try to mess with your IRL life.

I left there because I was sick of it. Not because of Aeroraptor, techfury90, etc, because they have nothing against me. I left due to the pure stupidity that other people had brought into the channel. Also how some people were asking for help on upgrading/repairing things that weren't worth the money they would've had to put into them. You tell me what the point is in trying to fix a 15 year old printer that never printed decently to begin with or spending around $50 to hook something up to ethernet? Especially considering it usually would've been much better to just get something newer that's better quality, more compatible, and/or cheaper.

Techfury90 and others were being a little elitist, but to be honest some people were asking for it. I had trouble refraining from acting like that to a bunch of people.

 

[techfury90]

I never came in there to make trouble and have gone out of the way to keep from starting situations, but you try to drag people in all the time to your little arguements and like to be ban happy to ANYONE that don't agree.

Banned whom? And don't say you, cuz that was mode +q. Some clients parse it as a ban, when it really isn't.

Also, you have forgotten the channel is completely seperate from the forum, as ~tl has transfered control to Cory5412.

You don't research what you say, and you don't even care if you tick off someone just because you don't have the guts to admit that sometimes (well, a LOT of times) you are wrong.

Says the one who made up Cisco products to "test us".

 

[John8520]

Right on. After that cisco products fiasco, I now find it very hard to believe anything you say. I mean, how can we really tell? You fought your point about a new cisco router having dual 733Mhz Geodes, 2GB RAM, web-based controls with java and flash, and all this other nonsense for so long; then once we actually spoke with high-level networking engineers to get the truth you instantly covered your butt saying "oh uhm, I was testing you guys."

So sure you might be right sometimes, but how are we supposed to know? You've just given yourself a bad reputation, and there are consequences of that.

 

[jeffrey3]

I really hate to say this (but it is expected as is said by anyone) that I am frankly put off by the crap aeroraptor, ghmd and techfury

No, I think you're put off because you're tired of being in a room with people who aren't afraid to correct you when you start rambling.

(I am NOT going to spell his full name. He runs several instances and I am purposely not going to say it just to piss him off, so there)

And *you're* the one saying other people are being rude here?

They fight just to corner anyone, and I came here hoping for friends in Mac channels, and instead get insulted every time I go into that channel room.

When you make ridiculous claims, it's only reasonable to expect others to be slightly hostile. Here are some pearls of wisdom from coius, economics expert extraordinaire.

Like when you insulted millions of American consumers:

Dec 26 01:43:31 	when people buy cars for others for christmas and live just to pay bills, those aren't the people I want to be around
Dec 26 01:43:50 	because they can't manage their money
Dec 26 01:43:58 	and they become burdens on society

Burdens on society?! FOR BUYING A CAR for others for Christmas? Maybe you're just jealous?

Then you make an interesting claim:

Dec 26 01:45:17 	they said average people of MY generation will file 3-4x 's in their life
Dec 26 01:45:24 	that's pretty sad
Dec 26 01:45:29 	Who are "they"?
Dec 26 01:45:30 	people used to not do that
Dec 26 01:45:35 	try Forbes 
Dec 26 01:45:43 	and government studies
Dec 26 01:45:52 	Citation needed.
Dec 26 01:46:02 	i picked up a forbes magazine about a few months back that said that
Dec 26 01:46:09 	i was in the waiting room at a doctor's office
Dec 26 01:46:13 	heh
Dec 26 01:46:14 	and got bored

So, you read an article.. in Forbes.. in the waiting room.. and that makes you an authority on economics matters. And you also read some government studies, which you were unable to cite or name further details. Okay.

Dec 26 01:57:08 	I just saw the article in forbes about my generation, that doesn't mean I don't know what the current economy is
Dec 26 01:57:16 	i know a lot more than people think I know
Dec 26 01:57:23 	i just don't talk about it in here

Oh, so you know what the current economy is [sic] because you say so? Sorry for ever doubting you.

How can you expect to be taken seriously when you make a claim like this?

Dec 26 01:58:08 	it USED to be that if you files bankruptcy, that you had to pay NOTHING

Simply not true. Bankruptcy does not mean you pay NOTHING.

And this babble needs no commentary:

Dec 26 01:58:22 	but they changed that, because it kept putting businesses out of business
Dec 26 01:58:26 	no business= no jobs
Dec 26 01:58:32 	no jobs= more poor people
Dec 26 01:58:35 	Citation needed.
Dec 26 01:58:41 	that's an oversimplification of everything
Dec 26 01:58:42 	poor people = quality of life goes downhill

Hell, how can you expect to be taken seriously when you suggest that someone should have the Geek Squad build a computer?

Dec 26 00:40:45 	well
Dec 26 00:40:56 	I *guess* you could get someone like Best Buy to build it
Dec 26 00:40:59 	and tell them what you want

I can provide numerous examples of unfounded, ridiculous, inaccurate, or exaggerated claims, if you like.

When you drive off people that go to a place to be accepted

If you want some place to be accepted, go watch Barney or go to church or something. This isn't kindergarten; we're not going to nod and smile when you say something ridiculous. If you say stupid stuff on the Internet, you will get called on it.

Judging by reading this thread, you guys need to GROW UP

And there goes the crazy old pot again, calling the kettle black.

Get a clue guys, you are ruining everything that would be fun as part of a community.

Lively discussions are fun, until someone starts crying because he's losing. Which is exactly what you're doing right now.

I never came in there to make trouble and have gone out of the way to keep from starting situations

Causing trouble? I'd say making boisterous claims regarding things in which you have no expertise is causing trouble, and that is exactly what you do.

and like to be ban happy to ANYONE that don't agree.

No one's been banned.

You don't research what you say

This is an outright lie. In fact, it's *you* that consistently fail to bring up any evidence when challenged, instead citing some magazine article you read while bored a few months back.

You need to open your eyes and get off your high horse and learn some manners. You are NOT perfect.

Once again: You are the one that is consistently wrong and refuses to admit so.

A lot of people here are very nice, but you guys have actually turned this forum into a disaster.

And this is based *only* on conversations on IRC, no? Which are in fact separate from this forum?

I left applefritter because of people being ***-holes.

Do you see a pattern here? You've left multiple places on the Internet because *you* think other people are being assholes. Two different places. The only person in common in these two situations is *you*.

I am sorry I actually joined this forum, sadly... I can't believe some of you here. I have never done anything to cause problems

Once again, you *have* done things to cause problems. You say stupid stuff and act belligerent when someone points it out.

I may have my opinions, but I say my piece, and leave it at that.

You have opinions, but you also state your own ideas as fact. You think that since it's your opinion, it's obviously right.

Dec 26 01:57:08 	I just saw the article in forbes about my generation, that doesn't mean I don't know what the current economy is
Dec 26 01:57:16 	i know a lot more than people think I know
Dec 26 01:57:23 	i just don't talk about it in here
Dec 26 01:57:23 	coius, you do realize that article is pure speculation right?
Dec 26 01:57:35 	actually, if you think about it, it's true
Dec 26 01:57:40 	no
Dec 26 01:57:43 	it's not just forbes telling it
Dec 26 01:57:44 	that's because you think it is.
Dec 26 01:57:44 	it's not true just because you think about it
Dec 26 01:57:48 	unless you're doing some drugs
Dec 26 01:57:54 	it's other anylysts, including the governemtn
Dec 26 01:58:01 	and if you are, remember: hallucinogens are bad.
Dec 26 01:58:01 	you can take numbers
Dec 26 01:58:07 	and piece em any way you want to.
Dec 26 01:58:08 	seriously.

 

[iMac600]

Hate to say it really, but when you take a forum like this one into a live environment nobody is going to agree. Some communities will get along well but this particular group has a large variation in opinions, which is a good thing, but the impression we've concluded is that nobody is willing to accept anyone elses opinion, true or false. (However a friendly correction of facts is well accepted and is only to help.)

I don't think that channel will ever work out. I can't see a change from the older Undernet and EFnet channels, apart from the userbase, and perhaps that's just where the issue lies.

 

[Unknown_K]

Outside of diaz taking over the efnet channel it was pretty easy going for its time, you have immature people joining and attracting more imature people now. Plus nobody puts people in their place as needed.

 

[Cory5412]

The concensus seems to be that there needs to be some kind of system to track behavioural issues, but a lot of people are against the idea of "you mess up, you get kickbanned."

I've got a wiki and I think what I'm going to do is set up a page on it where I list all of the people who use the channel, and if they do something, myself or one of the other channel operators can make a note of it in the wiki.

The page will be protected, and I can individually give other operators write access to it, or they can just email me when they want something changed on it.

 

[Unknown_K]

Why not just post a FAQ about the rules, keep the link in the topic of the channel, and kick or ban people acording to the rules.

You will allways have people saying they did not know that you cannot do such and such... too bad.

Giving people multiple chances just lets everyone else know that the rules are worthless.

I think you would end up banning people doing the above, but the channel will be better off for it and maybe some others who left will show up again.

 

[John8520]

If you instantly banned someone for breaking the rules, a majority of users would up and leave, because of the channel ops being to harsh, even though they're just kicking/banning in compliance with the rules.

 

[Cory5412]

Well there's the rules, http://ueberwiki.hopto.org/index.php/68kmla_channel_rules (it'll load slowly because it's hosted on my decTOP.)

I keep them http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/clw249/technology/68kchanrules.html on my dana page too, but that's more difficult to update when needed.

I've started looking at options for tracking systems, the biggest thing we'll need is for people in the channel to send a PM to me on my desktop computer (signed in as Cory5412.) I take care of things that have popped up on my desktop computer. If you're reporting something to me, include a line from the conversation so I can search my logs for what happened.

 

[Unknown_K]

If you instantly banned someone for breaking the rules, a majority of users would up and leave, because of the channel ops being to harsh, even though they're just kicking/banning in compliance with the rules.

You don't ban for every offense. Small stuff gets a warning, worse stuff gets a kick, some stuff you ban for 1st offense.

As far as people leaving, who cares. What you are saying is that people would leave if they cannot be an ass, let them go.

 

[John8520]

No, I'm saying that even the people that have acted fine would leave, though they haven't done anything.

 

[Unknown_K]

No, I'm saying that even the people that have acted fine would leave, though they haven't done anything.

So what.

Plenty have left allready leaving the ones causing problems.

All I can say is people don't want to fix the problem, so it will not get fixed.

 

[John8520]

So you would rather have an empty channel, than a channel with people and a few "problematic people"...?

Sounds like you should go make your own channel.

 

[Unknown_K]

Sounds like you deserve what you get

 

[John8520]

deserve what I get? what does that even mean?

 

[Unknown_K]

It means you would rather put up with bad behavior then punish a couple offenders because you worry everybody will leave. So people get tired of the BS and leave anyway and you get stuck with the badly behaving people.

 

[macintoshman]

STOP!

Those of you who dont like IRC leave.

Those who are bad: LEAVE

Those who are good: STAY

Problem Solved.

And I still remember the format trick! >

 

[bluekatt]

STOP!
Those of you who dont like IRC leave.

Those who are bad: LEAVE

Those who are good: STAY

Problem Solved.

And I still remember the format trick! >

...yeah ..sure as if its that easy

the mod just needs to crack the whip a bit and let people know those rules are not for show

 

[John8520]

If you ever stopped by IRC you'd know it's not that easy