IRC Behavioural Issues.

[techfury90]

Well these purported hate messages were not caused by #68kMLA itself nor by the op team, that I'm aware of.
If you'd like, I can re-read the logs and re-judge what went on, the outcome is likely to be the same though.

You are correct, these hate messages were not sent inside the #68kmla room itself but this is now the second time that this has reportedly happened. Where it happened, whether it be via PM, email, IM, whatever is not important. What's important is that in both these instances the victim has reported that those who sent the hate messages were people known to be members of the #68kmla IRC room and it's the fact that people are carrying arguments not just in the room itself but outside as well in the form of hate that is just horrid. There is something about the chemistry of those who participate in the room that just creates a environment that can just be god awful to participate in at times. Bad behavior in this room has driven away many people, and this behavior is still continuing unchecked. The ops need to exercise their power more vigorously before the only people left are those who are the source of the trouble!

As far as I know, ops aren't supposed to do that as per Freenode guidelines.

 

[Cory5412]

The freenode guidelines say that our responsibility as ops is to push the conversation in the right direction. As often as I'm around, I do that.

Your responsibility as good netizens is to also push conversions in the right direction.

As far as the PMs go, it's just like how a forum PM is outside the jurisdiction of the forum moderation team, an IRC PM is outside the jurisdiction of the IRC operator. Plus, saying "all known to be members of #68kMLA" is like saying "all known to use computers on a regular basis" or "all known to breathe oxygen on a regular basis." It doesn't necessarily mean that #68kMLA is out to get you, or anyone else.

I'm there to make #68kMLA safe and friendly, not all of IRC.

Quoth the rules I posted a few days ago:

IRC isn't scary or terrifying, it's just a bunch of words flying at you. Because it is so difficult to censor what people say on IRC, maybe we should put an announcement up on the forum notifying people that what they read on IRC is their own responsibility, because not everybody is looking out for the best interests of somebody who has the outward appearance of being unable to communicate properly.

 

[macintoshman]

Why cant we resolve this civilly?

YES

Can we reboot IRC to fresh start? YES.

Can we put the pasd behind us? YES.

It is 2008. All of us should celebrate.

A 68kMLA court meeting is in session to reslove this conflict I think.

We can do this civily. if either side stops and we just listen to the cases. Ok?

 

[macintoshman]

Here is a novel Idea:

We can have an unban request box.It will give that person 3 days trial period. Once it expires, the mod will judge wether or not he has changed. Good idea?

 

[Cory5412]

It looks to me like the issue has been resolved, unless there's something you can see that I can't.

 

[MacTCP]

Here is a novel Idea:
We can have an unban request box.It will give that person 3 days trial period. Once it expires, the mod will judge wether or not he has changed. Good idea?

That sounds like a good idea.

 

[macintoshman]

Well, yes. There are some members who would like to come back to IRC, and have changed there ways. Hense the trial idea. I wont name the people. I will let them communicate with you.

 

[Patrickool93]

That wouldn't really be a good idea because people will be all great for three days and then will go back to being silly and annoying. Its nice right now. Remember people, you were warned and banned for a reason. Stop complaining, you brought it on yourselves.

 

[macintoshman]

It is going downhill now with IRC-War and notncie posts.

Edit: I've merged this discussion into the current IRC thread. There's no need to degrade more threads with this "IRC war" rubbish! ~tl

 

[MacTCP]

That wouldn't really be a good idea because people will be all great for three days and then will go back to being silly and annoying. Its nice right now. Remember people, you were warned and banned for a reason. Stop complaining, you brought it on yourselves.

Like I said, I misunderstood the one warning. If I was given a second chance, now that I know what the rules are, I would not break them. I really wouldn't. It is the only thing on the internet I've been banned from - all the others had rules. Now that #68kmla has rules, I wouldn't go back to being "silly and annoying". If I did, I would and should be banned again - permanently.

 

[Christopher]

You should go check out Macteens before saying this forum is going down the drain.

 

[Cory5412]

I haven't noticed there being any kind of IRC war, and there aren't too many posts I've seen that are rude or inappropriate, other than a few things posted in the wrong forum.

 

[Christopher]

You guys are just nicer.

 

[equill]

'Fritter probably has a greater number of well-informed contributors about Mac hard- and software, but everybody here knows something that will be of use to someone else at some time, and I am not denigrating or discounting the informed ranks here. A little more trawling through older posts before asking the same question again would be useful to us all, both questioners and answerers.

If you wish to savour rampant foul-mouthed print, there are enough examples of such immaturity elsewhere. (No names. No pack-duty.) We've also had our share of hysterics who ultimately spat the dummy and screamed off in a hissy-fit because no-one accepted their umbilicocentric view of the universe, but that's life.

Considering that the enlisted of this Army span almost six decades in age, we don't do too badly as a result of our differences in worldview and experience.

de

 

[The Macster]

I haven't noticed there being any kind of IRC war

Not sure where you've been lately then... : Discussion of various problems with this IRC and tensions resulting from fights etc on there seem to have been spilling over onto the forum a lot recently (especially when people from IRC who aren't members here every so often seem to come here just to post a whole load of nastiness directed at some one that they fell out with on IRC, and it's always allowed to stay and degenerate further rather than just being deleted), personally I think IRC and the forum should be kept completely separate ie the IRC made completely "unofficial" with no links to it from here, and IRC-related discussion not allowed here, it has to stay on there. That way at least if IRC is going to be the disaster zone that it sounds like it is, it wouldn't end up filling the forum with this stuff and spoiling the atmosphere here. Anyone with me?

 

[Cory5412]

IRC isn't a disaster zone, It's just not necessarily the same friendly structured environment with 17 little divisions as to what topics are "allowed." As far as what people make it sound like, you've got to remember that it's always the people that set the atmosphere, and it's the people who present it to the forum as though it's a disaster zone are the people who are causing it to be a disaster zone.

 

[The Macster]

I think the people that present it as a disaster zone are the IRC people that come on here and make huge posts full of hatred and nastiness having a go at one of the forum members for something that happened on IRC (it's happened several times recently), and the IRCers that come here to sound off about how bad it's been on there lately. I think at least the IRC stuff could be contained if there was more of a division between the two, and forum visitors wouldn't have to see the fallout.

 

[Patrickool93]

Like I said in the other topic IRC since a few people were banned is nicer. Usually consists of "Hey" "Hi" " <8 hours of silence> then a repeat.

There is no war. Only a few over dramatic people who haven't been on IRC in months.

 

[Cory5412]

You mean the post wherein somebody pointed out some facts and pointed out a few fallacies of logic? That's hardly "hate."

 

[Patrickool93]

Anyone care to post a log of the past few days to prove a point? I'm sure one of the Ops saves them.