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Floppy Emu update: Mac 128K/512K support

olePigeon

Well-known member
Can someone test theirs on a Macintosh II series? :) (II, IIx, IIfx, IIci, IIsi, SE/30, etc.) I assume if it works on one, should work on the others.

 

bbraun

Well-known member
I dunno about yours, but my II, IIx, and IIfx don't have floppy connectors. :)

I updated my floppyemu to the latest the BMOW just posted, and booted the IIsi with it. Works great.

dougg3 has also used his floppyemu with a IIci quite a bit.

 

dougg3

Well-known member
I've actually tested my IIci with two floppy emus simultaneously -- one connected to the internal floppy port, one connected to the external floppy port. They both worked fine together :) Haven't tried that with the latest firmware yet, but I'm sure it'll work fine.

 

NJRoadfan

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If those used the same disk format as the Mac, then it should work. I'm fairly certain the drives themselves are compatible, but not sure if the IIgs used the same low-level scheme for marking sectors on the disk, checksumming, D5 AA 96 and all that fun GCR encoding stuff. :beige:
The disks are the same low level 800k GCR format. The logical format is different as the native format on the II series is ProDOS.

 

bigmessowires

Well-known member
Another couple of updates:

1. Added support for DiskCopy 4.2 images, in read-only mode. Writable DiskCopy images should be possible too, but it's a little complicated since the disk data isn't aligned to block boundaries on the SD card, and also the whole disk image has a checksum that needs updating whenever a write occurs. I'll probably come back to that later, but for now having readable DiskCopy 4.2 images (as well as raw .dsk images) is pretty nice.

2. 1.44 MB HD floppy support has taken a small but important step. It's gone from the Mac telling me it has no idea what this disk signal means (error -67, can't find address mark), to it telling me it sees the sector address section, but the checksum is wrong (error -69, bad address mark). That may not sound like much, but I think it proves all the wacky MFM signalling stuff is actually working, which is the part I was most worried about. So now I can start working on the higher-level stuff, like actually sending the right data.

 

Bunsen

Admin-Witchfinder-General
I've actually tested my IIci with two floppy emus simultaneously -- one connected to the internal floppy port, one connected to the external floppy port. They both worked fine together :)
Has it been tested operating alongside a real floppy drive?

 

bigmessowires

Well-known member
Yeah, they coexist fine - it's just like a regular floppy drive.

Still trying to get this #*&^@%! 1.44 MB floppy support working...

 

olePigeon

Well-known member
Sure hope so. If you make another batch, sign me up. I'm gonna sell my Color Classic pretty soon, so I'll have some pennies to buy a floppy emulator. :) Or two... if you do bulk discount. :p

 

onlyonemac

Well-known member
It kind of disheartens me when I see people wanting this because it's "cool" and "convenient", when for me it's my only hope of a floppy drive, and I can't have it.

Still, I'd rather have a real drive clunking away, even if this is "cool".

 

Gorgonops

Moderator
Staff member
It kind of disheartens me when I see people wanting this because it's "cool" and "convenient", when for me it's my only hope of a floppy drive, and I can't have it.
Dude, are you sure you live in the UK and not Darfur or something? Get a paper route.

 

finkmac

NORTHERN TELECOM
A quick check on ebay.co.uk shows a price of £6.22 for a Manual eject floppy drive (Performa 475). Free shipping.

I'd have to pay $12 shipping on top of the 10 bucks it would cost me, you have it easy :p

 

onlyonemac

Well-known member
And when you can hardly afford food for the week, you really think you'd spend a whopping 6 pounds on a floppy drive?

(And besides, I need auto eject.)

 

Blinkenlightz

Well-known member
All Mac floppy drives are auto-eject... Some are also auto-inject (grabs the disk before you're really done pushing it in). A lot of confusion on these terms leads to erroneous eBay listings.

 

finkmac

NORTHERN TELECOM
Whoops, meant Manual Inject :-x

But anyway, if you can't afford a really cheap floppy drive, Let alone food for the week… I have no idea how you plan to pay for an emulator board or an SD card…

 

Gorgonops

Moderator
Staff member
And when you can hardly afford food for the week, you really think you'd spend a whopping 6 pounds on a floppy drive?
So it's you who's buying the food each week? That's an odd position for someone who doesn't even have enough clout to decide what they keep in their room to be in.

According to Google six pounds is at this exact moment worth $9.55. I guess according to the USDA's statistics I could "Thriftily" feed a male human between 14-18 years of age for a little over a day and a half on that much money.. Gee, that's sort of depressing, but nonetheless... that's a "whopping" sum to you? I'm sorry.

Weren't you totally working on your own floppy emulator board using some unnamed microcontroller or something? Are those free in England? They sure ain't here.

 

bigmessowires

Well-known member
And when you can hardly afford food for the week, you really think you'd spend a whopping 6 pounds on a floppy drive?
(And besides, I need auto eject.)
I must have missed the beginning of this story. Your Mac doesn't have a floppy drive? Or it's broken?

Like Blinkenlightz said, all Mac floppy drives are auto-eject. Whether it's manual or auto-inject doesn't matter too much, except if you put a manual inject drive in a computer that originally had an auto-inject drive, the opening in the case may not be big enough to easily push the floppy in all the way. You can still do it with the edge of your finger, though. I used to have a Mac setup like that.

If your family is truly struggling to afford a week's food, then I'm sorry to hear it. In that case, your extra cash is probably better spent on things other than floppy drives anyway. But if it's something you REALLY want, there are lots of ways a smart person with enough spare time can earn a little money. You obviously know something about classic Macs - there are tons of opportunities on eBay to buy things that are priced too low or are mislabeled, and immediately resell them with a better description for a small profit. Or buy old Mac parts that are "broken", many of which are simply missing software or other parts, or just need a good cleaning. Or depending on your neighborhood, you can likely earn some extra money babysitting, or mowing lawns, or running errands for neighbors. When I was 12, me and two friends put notes in about 50 neighborhood mailboxes, advertising ourselves as "helpers" for odd jobs, and got a lot of phone calls that led to work raking leaves and washing cars and stuff. Good times.

 

onlyonemac

Well-known member
I must have missed the beginning of this story. Your Mac doesn't have a floppy drive? Or it's broken?
I used to have a hard drive and a floppy drive. The hard drive broke. I ran the Mac from floppies. The floppy drive broke (bottom head cracked during a clumsy re-alignment operation). I got a free hard drive from a PC guy we know.
Thus I do not have a floppy drive.

 
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