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CD Technology Drive Model CD-T3201

Concorde1993

Well-known member
In another Mac/PC conquest of mine, I received an early 90s CD Technology CD (not sure if its CD-ROM, or rewritable) drive (w. SCSI), which I have absolutely no knowledge about (besides the fact that it reads CDs).

I have the power supply for it, but it does not appear to be functioning. When I turn it on, I hear a couple of "clicks," then a humming noise. The PS, along with the drive itself, appears to be in good cosmetic condition, considering its age.

I do believe that it reads these types of discs, which I own quite a few of now:

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Here are some other pics as well:

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Thoughts?

 

Concorde1993

Well-known member
PD disks are like DVD-RAM I think and should be read by a DVD-RAM drive.
DVD-RAM discs were the "successor" to PD discs, but I do not think DVD-RAM drives are backwards-compatible (I am very new to this type of format). As a result, it may not be able to read my PD discs.

These things are basically the equivalent to magnetic zip disks.

 

trag

Well-known member
I have a vague memory that PD stands for Phase-D?????. Where a laser heats a spot on the disk and a magnetic field changes the phase something or other of the heated spot. After it cools the difference in the magnetic hossitz can still be read. It makes the disk extremely reliable after it is written, because it cannot be erased without heating it again.

These were in competition with Magneto Optical disks back in the 90s.

They are a removable media similar to ZIP or magneto optical, but the technology used by the disks is very different.

I remember several articles mentioning them in MacUser and MacWorld round ups of removable media storage devices. If you found an article in one of those magazines which compared the Pinnacle Micro Sierra 1.3 GB drive to other drives, you'd probably find that at least one of the other drives was a PD drive.

That might give you enough to search on. The Sierra was a Magneto Optical but it was contemporaneous with some of the PD drives.

 

Concorde1993

Well-known member
Hey trag,

I appreciate your insight, but the purpose of this thread is to figure out how to salvage the drive I have now before I go out hunting down another one.

I remember several articles mentioning them in MacUser and MacWorld round ups of removable media storage devices.
I've got a whole bunch of MacWorld, MacUser & MacAddict magazines from the early 90s to the mid-2000s (I even have a couple of issues from the 80s as well). I'll probably re-read some of them over the Christmas break to find out more information on PD drives, as I realize they were once very popular in the storage media market. Hopefully by then I will be able to determine what to do with this drive.

 

waynestewart

Well-known member
PD stands for Phase change Dual disk.

The drives were supposed to be able to also read CDs

They were competing with Magneto-optical disks and later CD burners. I liked the robustness of MO but since CD drives were starting to become standard equipment I opted to spend $1200 on a CD burner. Since at that time rewriteable CDs were $25 and a drive to write them was $200 extra I decided to just get the standard burner.

 

Unknown_K

Well-known member
The good thing about PD and MO is the data life is pretty long, and the housing protects the media from physical damage.

Never had a PD drive but I do have a few tpes of MO drives and media, fun to mess with on old hardware.

 

Concorde1993

Well-known member
Theory...

If I were to open up the power supply for this unit, would I be releasing the "magic smoke," or would no effect occur? I just want to see if any of the capacitors have bulged, because this unit does not start up at all, and I am a little concerned about hooking it up to my Plus', SE's, or Performa's SCSI port to test it out in its current condition. I also have a Pioneer CD 6-Disc Exchanger drive (also SCSI) in a similar state, but I will post that in a separate thread later in the week.

 

Bunsen

Admin-Witchfinder-General
If I were to open up the power supply for this unit, would I be releasing the "magic smoke,"
If you have to ask, don't do it. Normally I would say go for it, but we're talking about mains voltage equipment here.

 

Concorde1993

Well-known member
Normally I would say go for it, but we're talking about mains voltage equipment here
Thanks Bunsen, but I am not concerned about the high voltages in the PS box (obviously I am aware that they exist; it's no different than opening up a Compact Mac, or TV set). I just need to know if this damn thing is going to go "poof" in my face, that's all.

 

coius

Well-known member
It shouldn't be drastically different from a more modern PSU. If anything, the worst you will fine when you open it is that the caps have leaked/exploded or there might be signs of components having burnt. Just don't open it with the AC/Mains power connected to it and you should be fine. Also, don't go licking the caps to see if they are still works, poking angry dogs, or walking down dark alleys with cash hanging out. It's all just common sense.

Break out a meter if you know how to work with electronics, start testing stuff. To test any caps that look good and you are in doubt of, you may have to unsolder them from the PSU board, or just raise on trace (if it's surface-mounted).

Obviously, check for burnt components/smells around affected areas/etc...

Getting it open may be difficult though, depending on how they put it together. Back then, they have may screwed the cases shut, but most (modern) Power supplies for external devices are just sonic-welded around the edges, or just plain glued.

If you can find out what the outputs of the plug are (assuming it is a plug) you can create your own PSU. Even if it's just 12v/3v/5v, etc... you may be able to work something out with a modern drive-case PSU.

I have hard drive and optical external cases that are USB/FW/etc... that use a mini-din connector to connect a PSU, and found that damn near all the PSU with the same connector are pretty standard. I must have a box full of power supplies for external drive cases, that when I just "inserted" one into another, it just seems to have the proper voltage lines/wires in the right place on all the plugs. You may have luck using one of those to power it, even if you have to re-wire it.

Good luck, and it looks like you got an interesting piece of history. I used to have one of the original CD-R drives back in late-1994 that I think cost my dad's company close to $7-11k USD in a machine my dad used at home for development for the controllers for the HVA/C systems. My dad's job was to write the code, send it out to the field for testing, but floppies were too small for some of the code he wrote when it compiled. Because compression that was tight enough was not available, they bought 2-3 drives for the office, and my dad scored one for his 486 that his office bought for him to use at home (since he traveled a lot, he was the only person I know who actually had 3 computers, one computer at work, one and home, and a dell laptop with a 386 CPU). Anyways, my dad would write the code, burn it to disc (with discs that sometimes cost up to $100+ and could go bad easily if the computer even had the mouse move when the cd was burning, but that still wasn't guaranteed) and then ship it in a insured mailer to techs in places like minnesota and the like for installing.

I later got that drive, but it was damn-near useless when I got it because I couldn't find good enough CD-R quality that it would burn reliably on. So I ended up ditching it (the drive) but also the computer (the computer later broke) and gave up on it. If you get this working, I would be interested in seeing if anything is on the disc. If it's got mac software, be sure to let us know!

(Interestingly, a burner in 1997 for CDs cost about $150 for an ATAPI drive that you could get with dell, can't recall the model it shipped on, but it was an option, but you had to forgo something inside the machine because of the length of it. must've been a custom solution. my dad got one of these at work later, the drive was notorious for going out within weeks of getting it out of repair)

 

Concorde1993

Well-known member
In regards to the PS box, I took another look at it earlier tonight, and I noticed that there are no screws to open the housing to the PS.

As a result, should I still attempt to open the PS, or should I leave it be?

 

LCGuy

LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
If its got no screws, you're probably going to have to break the casing to get it open. If it works, don't bother.

 

Concorde1993

Well-known member
If it works, don't bother.
As far as I know ("AFAIK"), the power supply is not functioning. As stated before, I only hear a couple of clicks. The CD drive does not show any signs of life, and that's even a pain to open as well.

I'll look into cracking open the case later tonight, and post some pictures of the innards. It's not much of a loss if something happens to go wrong in the process as this unit (along with the software discs I received) were free.

 
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