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Buying, using and maintaining a LaserWriter in 2011

macquarium

Member
Hi all,

I'm toying with the idea of acquiring a LaserWriter and actually putting it to use as a main printer in my house. This would be partially to fulfil a desire to simply have one in the collection - I regret not getting one back in 2002 when I had the opportunity - but would (or at least could) be a practical alternative to a newer personal Laser printer for everyday use. My girlfriend still has another year to go at uni, thus does a lot of printing and the costs of keeping the cartridges up to my lowly HP inkjet aren't cheap.

There's no lack of examples going on eBay and elsewhere, even in Australia, for $100 or less. I am of course not a complete muppet, and realise that with any old secondhand laser there'd be a significant cost, either right after purchase or soon thereafter, to renew the toner and possibly fuser unit and some other repairs. These would cost far more than the initial purchase price, but, in theory, assuming all the parts and consumables can still be sourced (big caveat) the result should be a well-functioning B&W laser printer that would go on for several years without much fuss.

Now, one can of course go out and buy a brand spanking new personal laser printer, especially a B&W one, for under $100 these days. Common logic says you probably should too, but the replacement toner cartridges - required quite soon as everyone seems to be putting in low capacity "starter" cartridges into their printers - are usually 150-250% more expensive than the actual printer itself, so you're still looking at an outlay of several hundred bucks in the short to medium term. I'd hazard a guess and say that an Apple made LaserWriter, which retailed for thousands 15 years ago, was made a helluva lot better than the cheap stuff you see today. However that's just a theory and it has been over 10 years since I last used a LaserWriter to any great extent.

I guess my questions therefore are:

1. Is the above reasoning sound, or am I wearing rose-coloured glasses?

2. Which LaserWriter or LaserWriters would be worth considering, bearing in mind both functionality, likely condition today and access to consumables and parts? Are some harder to get bits for now than others? Are they easy enough to repair should major stuff break or is there a good reason why they're so cheap now?

Obviously an 80s original is too long in the tooth to bother for practical purposes, so I'm thinking something like a Select 360 (which I used at uni... handled my mate's excessive print habits at the time, when he was seemingly trying to create a paper backup of the Internet) or something newer. There's a LW 8500 available locally, which would obviously be overkill for a home network and a bit more expensive in terms of getting setup with fresh everything, but with a 14,000 round toner cartridge it should last me a looooong time. That and the A3 printing would be neat too. I'm sure my better half would put it to good use.

Cheers, Ben.

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olePigeon

Well-known member
Any of the printers with PostScript and IP based printing support would be good. That narrows your choices down significantly.

 

beachycove

Well-known member
I have run LaserWriters as home printers for several years, and have four models. One I like is the 4/600, as it is very quiet, but it is LocalTalk only, and without the unobtanium RAM upgrade, it is useless for modern (e.g. PDF) purposes. Those are both problems that I managed to solve, but it is not for everyone.

Some of the cheapest cartridges going can be had for the LW16/600, which is a fine printer, for which spares can readily be found (even more, the LW Pro 630). The 16/600 will do IP and has Ethernet, and even centronics should you want to add one of those wireless print server dongles (LW Pro 630 would be suitable for this, too).

Maybe a 16/600 would be best, as it is a good deal faster than almost all the LaserWriters manufactured. But the fans run all the time, unlike a current printer.

 
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MapGuy42

Well-known member
I think it's a worthy goal, to run a LaserWriter. I don't know about expensive repairs; my 1994 Personal 320 is still on its original toner and has never needed service. Your mileage may vary. Like Beachy relates, it won't do big PDFs, and the LocalTalk-only aspect became a bummer when Snow Leopard abandoned AppleTalk. Enter the iMac G3 as the host...

 

mac2geezer

Well-known member
Cheapest cartridges cartridges going can be had for the LW16/600, however, it and it will do IP. I recommend that one, but a fan runs all the time on this model.
I second that. The 16/600 takes cheap HP cartridges (under $40 online), but it is a bit of a large beast, and as Beachy says, it's not the quietest. However, Ram is not too difficult to find and you can install an SCSI HD for more storage.

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
LOL! I know you don't really want one of these beasts, but they're pretty cool!

I just took a picture of my LaserWriter today before covering it up again. It sits under the side panel from a desk I found in pieces in a dumpster up in NYC many moons ago. Several moons before that, when I got my pet IIfx and then grabbed up all his siblings down near Chambers Street, I also grabbed a stack of the LaserWriters IIgs w/EtherNet and upgraded the IINTX that I already had with one of the Boards from the IIgs from the Investment Bank where the entire MacStack originated.

I've still got the original one I had, but I lost the pile of the EtherNet Upgrade Boards I got out of the rest somewhere along the way, never got the chance to sell them. The pickup roller in my IINTX was worn and hardened with age, but it was in much better shape than the high mileage board & Paper Tray donors.

I think I've still got a couple of replacement rollers from some Mac Reseller or other < cough > that are still "NIBag&B" but they're likely as hard as the original one was back then.

Moral of story: If anybody is set on getting the original, real deal that changed the face MacDom along with PageMaker, make sure you can get the rubber pickup roller replacement or that there's one in there that still works! It's a ROYAL P*I*T*@$$ to replace the suckers, which is why mine hasn't been changed yet. No hurries no worries, I expect EtherNet to be replaced before I get around to fixing mine! [:eek:)] ]'> See if you can still get the service source and take a look at it before buying one of these monsters on eBay! [;)] ]'>

Can we still source those old Canon Engine Toner Cartridges? :lol:

If you're gonna by newer, get one a LOT NEWER!

Mine has an ancient 21" Sun CRT sitting on it and an LCD sitting in front of that . . .

Piccies will be up in a while . . .

 

MapGuy42

Well-known member
Related to using a LaserWriter in 2011 (now 2012)...

Word to the wise: don't rely on Panther (or probably an older cat) to share your LaserWriter to a Lion machine!

I acquired Bob, my Ruby G3 iMac, some time ago, and now after a move I've got my network to a point to have it serve the Personal LaserWriter 320 to the network at large. (Necessary owing to the disappearance of AppleTalk since Snow Leopard; my PLW is LocalTalk only.) I put Panther on Bob because it's not really going to do anything besides share the printer and a drive; I don't need modern app or browser compatibility, so I thought I'd save the performance hit of Tiger. Oops.

I beat my head against the wall for days trying to get Castle, the late-2006 iMac running Lion) to even remotely acknowledge there was a printer there! Saw Bob on the network, but printer? What printer?

A little research revealed that 10.3.9 used CUPS but not Bonjour, and the latter would of course make my life oh so much simpler.

Put Tiger on, and BOOM, oh, you meant this printer! Sheesh.

The setup, if you care: Castle on the desk in the house, strictly wifi to the Airport Extreme (uplinked to DSL), from which Cat-5 runs out to the garage and a hub, where Bob, the PLW (on an AsanteTalk bridge), and my 8100/80 (Harvey) live, soon to joined by a Mac Plus. Very excited about that!

Re: Maintaining... I really couldn't say. This LaserWriter was my wife's in college, circa 1993/4, and as far as she remembers this is the original toner, still works great. Very comforting to search every once in a while to find replacements still exist, and are cheap.

P.S. This is what I love about Apple: I didn't bother to shut down the LW or the AsanteTalk bridge before doing the Tiger upgrade; I figured I'd rejigger them to get them visible to Bob afterward. Did the straight Upgrade option, and after the reboot... voila, LaserWriter still connected and ready! It was never that easy under Leopard, man; I had to unplug and replug the bridge and hold my mouth right.

Now go to Castle, go to add a printer, and I don't even have to say network printer, put in an address, none of that; the LW just immediately popped up as a quick first option, like a predictive Google search. When this stuff works, it really works.

 
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