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Boot From Firewire on B&W or Yikes!
Here's how:
Hi all. I Made a post on Applefritter about how to boot a PowerMac G3 or Early G4 (Yikes) from Firewire.
It mostly involves troublesome External Drive cases, that end up giving issues when trying to do this from OS 9.
Anyways, this a a post that I made from here:
Please read this ENTIRE walk-thru before you attempt this, and remember to back up your data before doing this!
(don't email me asking me how to recover your data! I won't respond to you)
Here goes (with some modifications):
For some time, i had been intrigued by the option to boot from FireWire (IEEE-1394a) on Old-World and not-totally
New-World ROM machines. The Beige, Blue & White, and Yikes! machines fall under this category.
The Blue and White and Yikes! has FireWire onboard, but is not exactly bootable from it (The PowerMac G4"SawTooth"
was the first to boot from FireWire), but this can be changed, thanks to XPostFacto. Through this article,
I will show you how to get an "old-world" (with a FW PCI Card) or FW equipped, but not bootable from it,
"New-World" Mac to boot from FireWire.
*The Prep. (a.k.a Part a)*
I had been having problems with troublesome, cheap FireWire drive cases, and was only able to boot from my iBook through
FWTDM (FireWire Target Disk Mode) under OS 9, and *Really* wanted to get this working.
First, you will need to install a MINIMAL install of OS X on an internal Hard drive.
(to see how to do this on a beige, go Here.
This is not needed on the Blue & White systems, as they already support all the way up to Tiger [Theoretically]. )
I suggest Installing Panther, as it seems to do the best, on both Beige *AND*
Blue & White's (probably for the Yikes! too). Once you get that started,
you will want to boot into that OS X install that you just made.
Once inside OS X, you will need to have XPostFacto ready and waiting (Download it from here [for the .dmg file]
or here [for the .sit format for OS 9]).You can either *a:* Clone the internal to the external FireWire Drive, or
*b:* Make a new install.
*Part B*
*TO DO A FRESH INSTALL*
To do a fresh install, you will need to be in the OS X you just installed, and open XPostFacto.
Once in there, you need to select the boot drive as the External FireWire, then (IMPORTANT!)
You will need to set the HELPER DRIVE (see above picture at top) as the internal OS X Drive
(the one you are booted from now) Then put the CD (or DVD) into your Disc Drive, and then when it pops up, select
"Install from CD", and have it install onto the external drive (remember to keep the helper drive set to the internal OS X Drive)
Go ahead and click restart and go on with the install
Once you get done with that, and the install part 1 is done, DISCONNECT the external FireWire drive from your port,
and boot back into the internal OS X (may require booting into OS 9 for a beige, then with XPost. to OS X).
From there, PLUG IN the fire wire drive (and let it mount) and go into XPostFacto.
Once inside XPost select it as the boot volume, and the HELPER as the internal OS X volume.
Go ahead and restart from the external drive, and finish with the setup assistant.
*TO CLONE*
You will need Carbon Copy Cloner from Bombich.com. Get the FireWire drive ready
(either partitioned into one drive, or into how many you need)
Then go into Carbon Copy cloner, and pick the boot drive (OS X) as the source, and the target as the External
FireWire drive (or partition on it) And clone it. To go from here see part *c.*
*Part C*
To boot from the external OS X FireWire drive, go into XPostFacto and Select the FireWire drive as the boot drive.
Then select the HELPER drive as the internal OS X Drive.. Go ahead and restart, and enjoy (Hopefully) a faster drive system.
Now, I have tried this with a POS FireWire drive (that *REALLY* sucks) from CompUSA and an iBook G4 in FWTDM, and the reason
I wrote this, as that most of these POS drives, refuse to boot from when doing the hack from OS 9.
So it is IMPERATIVE that you do this from within OS X if you have a drive that is finicky.
I don't know why this is, but OS 9 sometimes does not like the drives with trying to set them up with XPostFacto
(mine just blinks on and off real fast when trying to do it. It seems to crash the FireWire system on the FireWire chain).
The way I know it was the drive and OS 9, was that I was able to boot off of my iBook internal drive (G4 1.2GHz iBook) successfully.
The OS's I used were Panther and Tiger and OS 9 (for getting the initial install).
I am in NO Way responsible if you lose data, so be prepared to lose data. ALWAYS BACKUP YOUR DATA!!!
I have tried this on a Beige G3 and it DOES work, at least on my try.
It may be different depending on the FireWire card you use and the drive you use on the external case (or full drive)
Here's how:
Hi all. I Made a post on Applefritter about how to boot a PowerMac G3 or Early G4 (Yikes) from Firewire.
It mostly involves troublesome External Drive cases, that end up giving issues when trying to do this from OS 9.
Anyways, this a a post that I made from here:
Please read this ENTIRE walk-thru before you attempt this, and remember to back up your data before doing this!
(don't email me asking me how to recover your data! I won't respond to you)
Here goes (with some modifications):
For some time, i had been intrigued by the option to boot from FireWire (IEEE-1394a) on Old-World and not-totally
New-World ROM machines. The Beige, Blue & White, and Yikes! machines fall under this category.
The Blue and White and Yikes! has FireWire onboard, but is not exactly bootable from it (The PowerMac G4"SawTooth"
was the first to boot from FireWire), but this can be changed, thanks to XPostFacto. Through this article,
I will show you how to get an "old-world" (with a FW PCI Card) or FW equipped, but not bootable from it,
"New-World" Mac to boot from FireWire.
*The Prep. (a.k.a Part a)*
I had been having problems with troublesome, cheap FireWire drive cases, and was only able to boot from my iBook through
FWTDM (FireWire Target Disk Mode) under OS 9, and *Really* wanted to get this working.
First, you will need to install a MINIMAL install of OS X on an internal Hard drive.
(to see how to do this on a beige, go Here.
This is not needed on the Blue & White systems, as they already support all the way up to Tiger [Theoretically]. )
I suggest Installing Panther, as it seems to do the best, on both Beige *AND*
Blue & White's (probably for the Yikes! too). Once you get that started,
you will want to boot into that OS X install that you just made.
Once inside OS X, you will need to have XPostFacto ready and waiting (Download it from here [for the .dmg file]
or here [for the .sit format for OS 9]).You can either *a:* Clone the internal to the external FireWire Drive, or
*b:* Make a new install.
*Part B*
*TO DO A FRESH INSTALL*
To do a fresh install, you will need to be in the OS X you just installed, and open XPostFacto.
Once in there, you need to select the boot drive as the External FireWire, then (IMPORTANT!)
You will need to set the HELPER DRIVE (see above picture at top) as the internal OS X Drive
(the one you are booted from now) Then put the CD (or DVD) into your Disc Drive, and then when it pops up, select
"Install from CD", and have it install onto the external drive (remember to keep the helper drive set to the internal OS X Drive)
Go ahead and click restart and go on with the install
Once you get done with that, and the install part 1 is done, DISCONNECT the external FireWire drive from your port,
and boot back into the internal OS X (may require booting into OS 9 for a beige, then with XPost. to OS X).
From there, PLUG IN the fire wire drive (and let it mount) and go into XPostFacto.
Once inside XPost select it as the boot volume, and the HELPER as the internal OS X volume.
Go ahead and restart from the external drive, and finish with the setup assistant.
*TO CLONE*
You will need Carbon Copy Cloner from Bombich.com. Get the FireWire drive ready
(either partitioned into one drive, or into how many you need)
Then go into Carbon Copy cloner, and pick the boot drive (OS X) as the source, and the target as the External
FireWire drive (or partition on it) And clone it. To go from here see part *c.*
*Part C*
To boot from the external OS X FireWire drive, go into XPostFacto and Select the FireWire drive as the boot drive.
Then select the HELPER drive as the internal OS X Drive.. Go ahead and restart, and enjoy (Hopefully) a faster drive system.
Now, I have tried this with a POS FireWire drive (that *REALLY* sucks) from CompUSA and an iBook G4 in FWTDM, and the reason
I wrote this, as that most of these POS drives, refuse to boot from when doing the hack from OS 9.
So it is IMPERATIVE that you do this from within OS X if you have a drive that is finicky.
I don't know why this is, but OS 9 sometimes does not like the drives with trying to set them up with XPostFacto
(mine just blinks on and off real fast when trying to do it. It seems to crash the FireWire system on the FireWire chain).
The way I know it was the drive and OS 9, was that I was able to boot off of my iBook internal drive (G4 1.2GHz iBook) successfully.
The OS's I used were Panther and Tiger and OS 9 (for getting the initial install).
I am in NO Way responsible if you lose data, so be prepared to lose data. ALWAYS BACKUP YOUR DATA!!!
I have tried this on a Beige G3 and it DOES work, at least on my try.
It may be different depending on the FireWire card you use and the drive you use on the external case (or full drive)
