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my first Lisa
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getting an eprom burner
great thing to have
i have the .bin files for the roms that 'probally' dont work - just have to write them
looking at this one
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/TL866CS-USB-Universal-Programmer-with-9-Adapters-High-Performance-for-12000-ICs-/272241214469?hash=item3f62d74405:g:aTUAAOSwBs1XMgdc
anyone got any advice on these - would be great to be able to write roms for lisa, apple ii, 68k mac's
more waiting
great thing to have
i have the .bin files for the roms that 'probally' dont work - just have to write them
looking at this one
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/TL866CS-USB-Universal-Programmer-with-9-Adapters-High-Performance-for-12000-ICs-/272241214469?hash=item3f62d74405:g:aTUAAOSwBs1XMgdc
anyone got any advice on these - would be great to be able to write roms for lisa, apple ii, 68k mac's
more waiting
I have one of those, It has been able to read and write everything I have thrown at it so far. (I have used it on Roms as old as my Mac plus's roms and as new as my 2014 MacBook Air with no problems)
I can't really think of anything else to say about it... It's cheap and it works, what more could anyone want?
I can't really think of anything else to say about it... It's cheap and it works, what more could anyone want?
Jeez that looks cool. I've got to get one...
I've always seen them as a modernized version of the Willem parallel port programmers from a decade ago. They work with relatively no issues. Personally I'm loyal to the Willem because it can also handle oddball chip types including NMOS. The newer programmers seem to favor more modern low power VPP or FLASH memory types.
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It actually is a willem. its a clone of the USB willem programmer sold by SIVAVA.
Very cool find your LISA :lisa2:
I got my 2/5 beauty from a trade (could let my PDP 8/I go for the L and a lot of other nice machines - my transporter was kind of overloaded with old computers and parts on my way back home xD) some years ago and also repaired/rebuild it from the scratch. It was a victim of these acid leaking little trolls called batteries :-/
This year finally I got a nice working keyboard - an original mouse is the last thing to finish this beauty. It's already up and running like a charme.
Hope you can fix everything and get it up and running again [8D] and for the good, please keep that smashed Widget - just as is. If you want throwing it in the bin, I'll pay the postage/transport to Germany [
] ]'>
Cheers,
Marcus
I got my 2/5 beauty from a trade (could let my PDP 8/I go for the L and a lot of other nice machines - my transporter was kind of overloaded with old computers and parts on my way back home xD) some years ago and also repaired/rebuild it from the scratch. It was a victim of these acid leaking little trolls called batteries :-/
This year finally I got a nice working keyboard - an original mouse is the last thing to finish this beauty. It's already up and running like a charme.
Hope you can fix everything and get it up and running again [8D] and for the good, please keep that smashed Widget - just as is. If you want throwing it in the bin, I'll pay the postage/transport to Germany [
] ]'>Cheers,
Marcus
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Cheers Marcus.
I wont be throwing anything out. Still waiting on the eprom programmer to see if I can get some life into this machine
As for the hard drive, The damage to the widget boards is repairable id say. The problem is the actual drive itself
I had a look through some of the old drives I got from the guy from cork who used to work in Apple.
Found this one. I think its an old mfm drive
Im hoping to find something i can use with the widget controllers....... although from what i have read so far it seems that nothing will work with the widget boards except the original drive
Anybody ever hear of someone finding a replacement for the for the widget drive mechanism itself that works with the widget controllers
I wont be throwing anything out. Still waiting on the eprom programmer to see if I can get some life into this machine
As for the hard drive, The damage to the widget boards is repairable id say. The problem is the actual drive itself
I had a look through some of the old drives I got from the guy from cork who used to work in Apple.
Found this one. I think its an old mfm drive
Im hoping to find something i can use with the widget controllers....... although from what i have read so far it seems that nothing will work with the widget boards except the original drive
Anybody ever hear of someone finding a replacement for the for the widget drive mechanism itself that works with the widget controllers
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Hi,
yep it's an old MFM but I doubt to get it together with the System itself
Apple had it's own things - even between their Apple Computers
The PCBs on the Widget may be reapirable but how about the Plattern/Drive itself? you could take it to an IT Lab at any University near your place - they often has such clean rooms/boxes, so you could open the drive and check the plattern and especially that little glued glass sensor inside the drive.
But I assume that it's totally done - like you said above, someone took it out of the machine and throw it around...why in the world would someone do this? it's so disgusting :-/
Marcus
yep it's an old MFM but I doubt to get it together with the System itself
Apple had it's own things - even between their Apple Computers The PCBs on the Widget may be reapirable but how about the Plattern/Drive itself? you could take it to an IT Lab at any University near your place - they often has such clean rooms/boxes, so you could open the drive and check the plattern and especially that little glued glass sensor inside the drive.
But I assume that it's totally done - like you said above, someone took it out of the machine and throw it around...why in the world would someone do this? it's so disgusting :-/
Marcus
Hey Marcus - they didnt just take out the hard drive and throw it around, they opened the drive itself and took the platter and the swing arm. They are gone!.
I have no plattern or swing arm. Just the empty case where they used to live!
From reading, i think my only hope is one of the cards for the expansion slot. But they are expensive. I have cleaned and restored everything else. Floppy drive looks good after a good clean and lube. Hopefully its ready to do some work.
Now I understand why there are always widget boards for sale on ebay. my chances of getting just the mechanical part of the drive are pretty much zero.
those contact pads inside the keyboard are crazy. As others warned (even before i got the machine) they must all be replaced. Another 'fiddely' kind of job.
Ive ordered the materials to make the new contact pads.
That will be fun.
Might have the eprom programmer next week. It is due. Really looking forward to reading eproms.
question: I imagine the code from an eprom will be in hex. Is there a program that will list the code into some kind of assembly. I would be really interested to see the code that boots up the machine.
I have no plattern or swing arm. Just the empty case where they used to live!
From reading, i think my only hope is one of the cards for the expansion slot. But they are expensive. I have cleaned and restored everything else. Floppy drive looks good after a good clean and lube. Hopefully its ready to do some work.
Now I understand why there are always widget boards for sale on ebay. my chances of getting just the mechanical part of the drive are pretty much zero.
those contact pads inside the keyboard are crazy. As others warned (even before i got the machine) they must all be replaced. Another 'fiddely' kind of job.
Ive ordered the materials to make the new contact pads.
That will be fun.
Might have the eprom programmer next week. It is due. Really looking forward to reading eproms.
question: I imagine the code from an eprom will be in hex. Is there a program that will list the code into some kind of assembly. I would be really interested to see the code that boots up the machine.
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Hi falen,
oh my... thats cruel anyway xD
yeah, so just leave it as is - a brick is a brick - put it in your shelf [] ]'>
Hmm these Parallel-Interface cards are not that rare..sometimes one pops up for a good price. I trade mine a while ago :-/ I didn't need it, because I have a LISA 2/5 with builtin Parallelport :lisa2: - my ProFile just hooks up on that...
You have three options:
1 - get yourself an working Widgetdrive - nearly impossible nowadays
2 - try that X/Profile board - excellent replacement and you can just hookup an ordinary IDE or CF-card "as Widget/ProFile"
3 - find a Parallel-Interface Card and a working ProFile Drive (5MBs are quite common and easier to find or a 10MB - nearly impossible like an working Widget)
Anyway - try booting it up with floppy in first place - you could try MacWorks/Macintosh Emulation ;D
That is, what I did the first years until I got my first working ProFile Drive [] ]'> you can check out my Videos about the LISA 2 on my Channel on YT: look for Apple Lisa 2 MarNoWeb or similar xD
For god's sake my keyboard works like a charm - I think it was restored not that long ago? It will be quite a lot of fun from what I read in the threads [}] ]'>
Hmm I don't know such program...would be an interesting thing to see every step from hex to code/assembler/realtime [8D]
I should backup my ROMs - good idea - first ToDo after I'm back from holidays
Marcus
oh my... thats cruel anyway xD
yeah, so just leave it as is - a brick is a brick - put it in your shelf [
] ]'> Hmm these Parallel-Interface cards are not that rare..sometimes one pops up for a good price. I trade mine a while ago :-/ I didn't need it, because I have a LISA 2/5 with builtin Parallelport :lisa2: - my ProFile just hooks up on that...
You have three options:
1 - get yourself an working Widgetdrive - nearly impossible nowadays
2 - try that X/Profile board - excellent replacement and you can just hookup an ordinary IDE or CF-card "as Widget/ProFile"
3 - find a Parallel-Interface Card and a working ProFile Drive (5MBs are quite common and easier to find or a 10MB - nearly impossible like an working Widget)
Anyway - try booting it up with floppy in first place - you could try MacWorks/Macintosh Emulation ;D
That is, what I did the first years until I got my first working ProFile Drive [
] ]'> you can check out my Videos about the LISA 2 on my Channel on YT: look for Apple Lisa 2 MarNoWeb or similar xDFor god's sake my keyboard works like a charm - I think it was restored not that long ago? It will be quite a lot of fun from what I read in the threads [}
] ]'>Hmm I don't know such program...would be an interesting thing to see every step from hex to code/assembler/realtime [8D]
I should backup my ROMs - good idea - first ToDo after I'm back from holidays
Marcus
Thanks for the info Marcus
I think I will go the X/Profile route. The unpopulated boards are on ebay, love kits!. Would be much happier with an IDE drive than a drive that WILL die anyway.
When i opened my keyboard and removed the pcb to have a look at the contacts, the 'spongey' material had degraded to a state where if you touch it, it just crumbles to dust. The good folks on here were 100% right. I have to replace every one of them. Found a good guide online on how to make them.
Looking at your vids. You are as bad as me!!. Computers of all kinds. My german is not that good, but I hear your passion!!. There are not many people that can get so excited opening a box to find something that is totally obsolete , takes up too much space and makes their partner ever more annoyed every time another machine arrives in the door.
I have been officially placed on final warning by her good self.
"No more dam computers" she said when she saw the Lisa coming throught the front door.
Its all good fun
I think I will go the X/Profile route. The unpopulated boards are on ebay, love kits!. Would be much happier with an IDE drive than a drive that WILL die anyway.
When i opened my keyboard and removed the pcb to have a look at the contacts, the 'spongey' material had degraded to a state where if you touch it, it just crumbles to dust. The good folks on here were 100% right. I have to replace every one of them. Found a good guide online on how to make them.
Looking at your vids. You are as bad as me!!. Computers of all kinds. My german is not that good, but I hear your passion!!. There are not many people that can get so excited opening a box to find something that is totally obsolete , takes up too much space and makes their partner ever more annoyed every time another machine arrives in the door.
I have been officially placed on final warning by her good self.
"No more dam computers" she said when she saw the Lisa coming throught the front door.
Its all good fun
If you're comfortable with soldering and kits, you might also consider building an IDEfile, particularly if Patrick Schäfer is still distributing GALs, ROMs, and PCBs for new builds. I built my own a few years ago and have found it to be very dependable. I thought it was a fun kit---there's a lot of soldering to do, maybe more than on the X/ProFile, but not by all that much. An IDEfile does not have the CF socket built-in---you will need to arrange your own IDE to CF adapter. These are easy to find. The X/ProFile also allows you to plug in two drives at once for easy copying, though, which the IDEfile does not do.
I built my IDEfile into the case of a broken ProFile, and a scavenged BCD thumbwheel switch from a SCSI drive housing serves as the volume selector. I use a CF card for storage, and since I'm not powering a proper IDE hard drive, 5V and not much current is all I need for the whole show. A tiny switching regulator like this one steps down the power from the original ProFile supply without the heat sink or fan that a linear regulator might need.
The red light on the front of the ProFile case still blinks as it should :lisa: . It's a lot quieter than the real thing, though, and suspicious people might also notice the IDEfile's LCD visible on the back of the drive.
Both options are good ones, I think. Best of luck!
I built my IDEfile into the case of a broken ProFile, and a scavenged BCD thumbwheel switch from a SCSI drive housing serves as the volume selector. I use a CF card for storage, and since I'm not powering a proper IDE hard drive, 5V and not much current is all I need for the whole show. A tiny switching regulator like this one steps down the power from the original ProFile supply without the heat sink or fan that a linear regulator might need.
The red light on the front of the ProFile case still blinks as it should :lisa: . It's a lot quieter than the real thing, though, and suspicious people might also notice the IDEfile's LCD visible on the back of the drive.
Both options are good ones, I think. Best of luck!
Haha, well I'm over that situation too..but we made an arangement: as long I won't put any of these old toys longer than 24h around the rooms (especially living room and bedroom - yep, on last winter days I did a lot of videos in our beedroom xD) she is fine with my hobby - My playground and so my little "Computermuseum" is on the attic
a few squaremeters of free space/room for my little machines. One day I will make a small tour around my collection and put it on YT Well, I should make my videos and Homepage in english language too, so it could reach a lot more people - but to be honest - I'm kinda lazy with this... I'm already happy after I could finish a video and just upload it - without editing in most cases. One day i will put subs on my existing videos or I will put a second audio line to them?
Do you have a website or similar, videos of your toys? Love to share this hobby with other crazy pple xD
Like the good stepleton above already mentioned - an IDEFile would be an interesting and equivalent option besides the X/Profile as replacement.
Recently I was in contact with Dr. Patrick Schäfer - I asked some stuff about Hardware/Drive replacements inside a ProFile Drive - I also thought about, building an IDEFile Drive... I should ask him back about PCB, GAL and ROMs :lisa2:
Marcus
Hey stepleton,
aren't you THAT genius, who made the NeoWidex tool?? I will try it out in a while when I start my Apple ProFile "Using & Servicing" Project
Regards,
Marcus
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Oh, I hope I won't have to rebuild mine in near future...I think, it wouldn't damage anything if I just open it and check the pads?
Marcus
