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NeuNet: a (partially) forgotten AppleTalk cabling system from the UK

Neutral's NeuNet is an alternative cabling system for AppleTalk that was designed in the UK that nobody seems to have now heard of. At first sight, the fact that it uses telephone connectors (although UK ones) invites comparison with PhoneNet, but it's actually designed very differently and to do different jobs. Since I stumbled into a box of it, I thought I would post some pictures and words about it.

The first thing it is designed for is structured cabling. Instead of having a bus wire that loops through boxes on people's desks, NeuNet sockets are faceplates that sit on standard telephone-sized pattress boxes, and each socket plugs into a computer. The bus wiring is within the cable installation: your users can't randomly unplug half your network.

The sockets come in single or double variants, which look like this:

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On the back of the socket there is a circuit board that contains circuitry roughly equivalent to the innards of a normal localtalk box.

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The two components labelled 1601 at the top are the isolation transformers (datasheet; and from this we can see that they must have made these boxes for a good while; the circuit board copyright date is 1987, but the date code on the transformers is 1995!). The END/THRU is used to enable or disable termination, depending on whether this box is on the end of the bus or not. And the TEST/NOR OP ("normal operation") switch enables or disables a test socket which I don't quite understand, although the documentation says that a network tester was available. I do not have one.

The cables that run from the wall box to the computer look kind of like this, and were obviously available for both 128/512 and Plus-and-above style serial ports:

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But what if, in some places, you *want* the flexibility of ordinary LocalTalk cabling? Or you have areas that are already wired up and you need the backwards compatibility? Then you need a NeuNet Bus Socket. These look like this (and, again, come in single or double versions):

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The main difference here is the total lack of isolation: the place where the isolation would be (labelled IC1 here) is replaced with straight-through links. This allows a cable to be used to dangle a whole localtalk chain off this socket:

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And then your chaos is contained. The cabling downstream of this box may be all over the desks, but the cabling upstream is nicely bundled into a single six core cable in the wall.

Hang on.

Six core?

This takes us to design point number two. This is designed for high speed AppleTalk at 2.5mbits, but in a way that does not require you to upgrade all your computers at once, and which maintains backwards-compatibility with old ones.

How this works is slightly less clear to me, because it requires a NeuNet network card, which I do not have and have never seen. However, there's a whole second pair of bus wires in the cable for high speed, and the documentation says that the NeuNet network card would talk to each computer on the network at the speed that computer can manage. What I assume is going on here is that all computers announce themselves on the slow link, and ones that have this NIC in also announce themselves on the fast link. Then the NIC (or the driver for it) listens for traffic on both the fast and slow interfaces, and sends frames out the fast interface if it's seen the destination on the fast interface, and the slow interface otherwise.

But I may be making this up.

Anyway, I now have a box of NeuNet to go and find somewhere to put. Hope this was vaguely interesting!

(Neutral's website is still up - but it has a copyright date of 2020 and nobody answered my email about this system. If anyone ever does find my email I'll update you all)
 
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(I have to admit, at first I thought this was a new product by Cheesestraws with an amazing fabricated backstory! :) )
 
Attached to this post are scans of the instructions that came with the sockets I have

(I have to admit, at first I thought this was a new product by Cheesestraws with an amazing fabricated backstory! :) )

Hah! It could have been :-D. @Danamania did a wonderful period-correct looking datasheet for AirTalk which I treasure.
 

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Seems like the sensible option would be to run LocalTalk over one pair and EtherTalk (and regular Ethernet) over the other two pairs, but I suppose this predates the ready availability of sensible options. I look forward to hearing how this functions when bridged to LocalTalk through a StarTalk hub.
 
but I suppose this predates the ready availability of sensible options

Don't forget an SCC/ESCC has two channels which do not necessarily run at the same speed (I'm pretty sure the speeds are independent even in SDLC mode). So you could probably (note that this is speculation) run both fast and slow off a *single* SCC, which would make the design of your card easier and really rather economical.

EtherTalk

The other thing here is that this would require a router. If I'm reading the documentation right, no router was required here: you could add the network cards to nodes that would benefit, and those would automatically do the fast thing between themselves, and automatically fall back to slower speeds to talk to old nodes.

There'd be nothing stopping them using Ethernet signalling over the other pair and getting this effect, true, but it wouldn't really be EtherTalk within the meaning of the word - if you plugged a "normal" EtherTalk node into the fast bus it wouldn't work properly - and this does predate the ready availability of that.

So I'm still betting it's an SCC or equivalent on the card, and I actually think that's a really clever and practical bit of design - all the work is done on the nodes and when you get the wiring installed and there's not necessarily an ongoing sysadminning cost for the router, unless you need one for other purposes.
 
Wow there literally is almost zero information about this product and/or service. No information about the cards, drivers, nothing.
 
Wow there literally is almost zero information about this product and/or service. No information about the cards, drivers, nothing.

I know, right? And yet, according to the date codes, they must have been manufacturing this stuff for at least 7 years...
 
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