epooch Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) I was able to get my Macintosh 512K web server running and on the internet for current RetroChallenge. It is running System 2.0/Finder 1.1g with 64K ROMs. Here is a link to my web page with a link to the server.: http://apple-crapple.blogspot.com/2015/01/mac-512k-on-internet.html It is still running the default lwIP web page. I am pretty close to getting it to run in 128K, but it is still a little too big. It runs easily in a virtual 256K Mac. Let me know how well, or if, it works. Edited January 15, 2015 by epooch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onlyonemac Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes it does work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted January 15, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 What a great achievement. I'm really flabbergasted! I'm working now for 25 years with old Mac's and never have seen something like this before! A web server on a 512K! This is what I see in the header: Status: HTTP/1.0 200 OK Server: lwIP/1.3.1 (http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/lwip) Content-type: text/html I have tried myself to achieve something with a web server. My best effort was a rebuild of the Pascal code for TCTExample to a kind of web server: https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/21029-help-with-tcpexample-in-pascal/ But on a 512K.... GREAT! It means you get TCP/IP running on one of the smallest equiped Mac's. I'm looking forward to your effort on a 128K. Could you share a disk image if possible? I would really love to try it! I will read you blog about this all! An other question. You talk about emulated 512K. What do you use for that? Basilisk II? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epooch Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I am planning on getting a distribution ready this weekend. The server is currently running on a REAL original Macintosh0, upgraded to 512K RAM. I have been doing some testing on Mini vMac with some modifications I adapted to support the mac serial ports (see my web site). I have been using that to test it on a virtual128K (which doesn't work yet) and a virtual (and nonexistant) 256K Mac (which does appear to work). I will try to get a whole image together with the modified Mini vMac and a 400K disk with the program on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted January 15, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Great! I'm really looking forward to test it. On my Linux box I have a null modem cable to a 512K Mac and I once did a SLIP connection on that. See: http://macintosh.vanegten.com/?p=193 Never tried a PPP, but I guess that will be the trick to get to the 512K. I will read your web site how you setup the PPP connection in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
captaineos Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Great developments being made - I admire your talent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3583Bytes Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Wow very cool, you should post a more detailed tutorial on how to do this with some scripts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elfen Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) I have the book PISM - Providing Internet Services on Macintosh (circa 1999), and I used run web service on classic Macs, and other services (Email, FTP, Gopher, Unix-like Talk Chat/IRC, and so on) for the community center computer room I a running then. Much of the software can run on a Mac 512K on System 6.04, though they could use a lower system but I never tried it on a lower system. Years later I also had the book Running MacHTTPD - which was a tiny version public domain version of Webstar 4.0. Throw in a few plug-ins, and it was "Kick Ass" on what one can do with an old Mac! If it counts, I still run Webstar 5.0 on my old Duo 210 for experiments and cgi coding practice. It's been running that since 2002, and MacHTTPD since the late 1990s. Edited January 16, 2015 by Elfen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epooch Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I am quite sure 64K ROMs cannot run System 6, or MacTCP. You had it easy with a '512Ke'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elfen Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) That depends. I need to re-research what I have. There was a TCP stack for System 6 that as not MacTCP, using AppleTalk 2.0. AppleTalk 1.0 would not work with it as I remember, because the buffer sizes were too small and its bandwidth too slow. I still have much of my original software and the two books. Edited January 16, 2015 by Elfen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted January 22, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I got El Whip working on my 512K. Runs fine! Read all about it at: http://macintosh.vanegten.com/?p=440 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elfen Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 What system is the Mac 512K on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted January 23, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 It runs System 2.0 / Finder 4.1 on an unmodified 512K. So on a 400k disk. I started to test on a modified 512K ( 1024K on board) , but switched to my unmodified. It runs really fine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epooch Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I have run it on lower finder/ system versions too. The calls are all for the original ROMs, nothing system specific. RAM is the only limitation right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted January 23, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 OK! Put my 512K on the Internet now. You can see it on: http://512k.macip.net Had to do some ugly way with netcat to get it pass all of my routers.... but it works! (only no image because it has a relative URL in it.... but that's a minor detail.) The page is grabbed live from the Mac 512K... Will try to keep him online next 24 hours.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted January 24, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 And offline again due to maintenance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IPalindromeI Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I recommend sticking it behind nginx IMHO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted January 24, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Could you provide an example how to do this in ngnx? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IPalindromeI Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 The RTE and bbcode are mangled for me, so here's a paste Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epooch Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) I was able to get a web server running on a Mini vMac virtual Macintosh 128K... Virtual Macintosh 128K 404 Error server! Edited January 25, 2015 by epooch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted January 25, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Wowww! Very very COOL! I hope for some more memory saving tricks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epooch Posted February 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 And now with external HTML files! http://apple-crapple.blogspot.com/2015/02/elwhip-006-download-available.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted February 2, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Hi Eric, Could you send me a .sit of ElWhip 06??? I have no modern Mac... so .sit is more easy then tar.gz.... Thanks!! I will test it on my Mac 128K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted February 2, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 No problem! It got it! I tested it on my 512K Mac. My 128K has no screen anymore...totaly BLACK But your programs works!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-Iv2lZ9pk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter mactjaap Posted February 3, 2015 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Today I tested on a real 128K board...... It is working FINE!!!! See it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpaHMYE3io Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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