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  1. It's not really that big of a deal. As for System 7, I've thought about it but I'm hesitant to. The Classic is still running its factory installation of 6.0.7 and I'm not really wanting to upgrade from that because I don't want to get rid of the volume. I could probably run System 7 on my SE, but I only have enough memory to bring it to 3 MB, and it lacks an internal hard drive. (Though with the addition of the FloppyEmu and HD-20 support, I'm guessing that's not a huge issue.) Even then, I believe QuickTime requires at least a 68020, which I don't have.

  2. Unfortunately, it didn't work - at least in Basilisk II and Mini vMac. In Basilisk, 7th Symphony gave me an error when trying to play the converted (3 second) clip. In Mini vMac, System 6 couldn't even open the weird file formats 7th Symphony is in. So I guess that's the end of the road... oh well, it's not the biggest deal. I still can't figure out ConcertWare and I guess that, too, is the end of the road. Thanks for your suggestions - it's greatly appreciated.


    In other audio-related shenanigans, I noticed the audio output on my 1988 Macintosh SE seems to be really hot, as previously mentioned. Even on the 1 setting it seems to play really loud. I also found out (although earlier... had this happen on my Classic with a game, I believe Crystal Quest) that some software seems to "override" the volume setting in the Control Panel. Both with Crystal Quest that one time and tonight with another program, I had the computer muted and it still played sound and seemed to offer no adjustments for volume.


    Tonight I had a little more time to play around with the FloppyEmu, mostly with the SE since the Classic is the one usually getting all the love. (But at least the Classic doesn't look like a block of cheddar and smell like a cigarette factory.) I played around with some of the more obscure games (at least obscure to me) already pre-loaded on the FloppyEmu, such as MacMan. MacMan is a pretty nice spin on the PacMan concept with some interesting nods to Apple's competitors at the time like IBM and AT&T. I also played around in MacDraw and The Print Shop. I created a PICT file in MacDraw but it doesn't render correctly on modern systems.


    My next goal is to try to get HD-20 emulation up and running on the FloppyEmu. I kinda want to play with PageMaker or Illustrator but don't know how those will run on 68000 machines with 1-2 MB of memory. (I still haven't been successful at installing the additional 2MB SIMMs in the Classic. I'm starting to wonder if those SIMMs are even good.)

  3. 8 hours ago, cheesestraws said:

    Sorry for double post, I hit 'Submit' before I meant to.



    Finding the expected file type is pretty straightforward as a spelunking exercise with ResEdit :-).  Have you done that before / would you like pointers?

    I've never used ResEdit, but having to go a roundabout way is probably a red flag that modern .mid files will not work with ConcertWare MIDI Player. The MIDI files play just fine under Arnold's MIDI Player, but that requires System 7 and QuickTime.


    7 hours ago, CC_333 said:

    No, they're not, but MP3s won't play very well, if at all, so you'd have to convert to WAV (or, more specifically, AIFF, as that's the format used on early Macintoshes;  it's more or less equivalent to standard WAV files (as seen primarily on contemporary PCs), but there are a few minor differences because Apple wanted to be different (Macs and PCs had since standardized on PC-style WAV sometime in the late 90s (and then of course MP3s, once the average Mac or PC became fast enough to decode them efficiently), so this difference has become moot)).


    So, basically, when you do encode your music into that format, you want to match the capabilities of the Classic's and SE's sound hardware, which are as follows:

    • Sample rate: 22,050 kHz
    • Bit depth: 8-bit
    • Channels: 1 (Mono)

    It won't sound great compared to a modern system, but that's all the Compacts' audio hardware is capable of.



    It's one of those things that I want to do just to be able to do it, there's no reason behind it and it doesn't need to sound great. (In fact, I know it's not going to sound great.) I'm assuming you'd mix the audio file to the specs (22kHz, 8-bit depth, mono) and export as an AIFF in a modern DAW such as Audacity or Adobe Audition. How do you play it on the Mac? What software is used in System 6 to open such a file, or do you still need System 7 and something like QuickTime?

  4. I actually use BBEdit on my modern Mac and have thought about possibly putting BBEdit on the compact Macs, but I'm not sure. I don't think I'll be writing HTML code on them very often, leaving that up to my modern MacBook Pro. However, I'm currently working on writing content for a section of my website I'm revamping shortly using Word 4.0 and converting it to RTF files when completed. I may even write my blog post discussing the FloppyEmu using the Classic and Word 4.0 or the SE and TeachText. (I may use TeachText on the SE because I feel the SE hasn't got much use. Unfortunately, with just 1 MB of memory and only being able to read double-density/800k disk images, I don't think I can load Word or even MacWrite 2 on it.)


    In regards to the MacPaint Files and converting them: I was looking at the thread you're referencing lately. It appears GraphicConverter costs $40, which is kind of steep personally to just transfer MacPaint files to a JPG or something similar. PICTure This was another solution offered, but according to @benanderson89it doesn't work very well. It's not the end of the world.


    In re ConcertWare: I'll post a picture sometime tonight or this weekend when I have some more free time to do so, but on the Classic and Mini vMac it would show the folders but none of the contents - which I'm assuming means it is expecting a certain file type. I have two .mid files in both folders for testing, but neither show up. Earlier this summer I found out a key combination which "forces" the Finder/open dialog box to show all files. But even then I don't think it would open, and I don't remember the key combination.


    The Macintosh Garden page for ConcertWare says that it was tested and works on an SE FDHD. A comment seemed to echo that, pointing out that you can have the software play the MIDI file without the need for any external MIDI devices. (Which is what I want.) So I'm guessing it's a problem on my end/user error and not a problem with the software itself.


    Is there any other MIDI playback programs for System 6? I know with System 7 your options are more plentiful, but I have no plans to stick System 7 on either of these machines.

  5. The latest addition to my vintage computer collection isn't a computer itself, but rather an accessory that will make using these machines easier and more enjoyable. I finally purchased a FloppyEmu for use with both the Classic and SE. Currently I've been loading floppy disk images, but I'd like to eventually get the HD-20 emulation running so I can have a virtual "hard drive" for the SE.




    The FloppyEmu works well on both machines, though (as expected) the SE doesn't like it when you try to load a high-density 1.4MB disk image - which is why I'm hoping to get the HD-20 emulation mode working. I was able to get The Print Shop, Shufflepuck, Ford Simulator, and Buick Dimensions 1989 working on the SE. (The SE almost blew out my eardrums when the Buick Dimensions jingle played... even on the 1 setting the headphone output is extremely hot.) All of the software worked fine on the Classic.


    Text files written in TeachText transfer and open fine on a modern Mac, as expected. I was able to write an "HTML" document in TeachText, transfer it to my modern Mac, give it a HTML extension and load it in a browser just fine. I was also able to open an RTF document created in Word 4.0 in TextEdit, but unfortunately nothing will open the native Word 4.0 document files. I'm still looking for a way to open and convert those MacPaint files to a more modern format so I can upload them to the web.


    I was kinda bummed out to learn the ConcertWare MIDI Player won't work. On both the Classic and Mini vMac, ConcertWare opens fine - but will not allow you to open a MIDI file. It opens the "Open" dialog box, but .mid files are invisible and can't be selected. It was my goal to get MIDI playback working on at least the Classic, but that may not be possible - at least not without making the jump to System 7 and QuickTime (if running QuickTime is even possible on a Classic with a 68000 and 4MB of memory.)


    Speaking of which, is it even possible to get music (such as MP3 or WAV files) converted to a format that these old Macs can play, despite being really low-quality and having lots of dither? Or are my goals just too far out there?


    Unfortunately, due to a huge paper coming due soon and some other end-of-semester things on my plate, I wasn't able to play with the FloppyEmu and Macs as much as I wanted to. I probably spent way too much time tinkering with it today after getting it all put together. Hopefully next week...

  6. 7 hours ago, MindWalker said:

    Then there is my 512K, which I have no idea what was done to it.... :eek:

    Definitely looks like it was too close to a heat source, especially with the slight discoloration. When I was a kid, my mom turned on a burner that had a portable electric range sitting adjacent to it. Ended up melting the little pilot lamp/LED on it.


    Was nowhere as bad as the time I plugged in the FryDaddy to fry something and accidentally left the rubber cap on. 8-o8-o8-o That was a huge f***ing mess...

  7. I think I'll just leave it on unless I go somewhere or go to bed, as Dog Cow pointed out. I just didn't know if there was any risks associated with leaving it on for long periods of time. It probably is better for it than switching it off/on multiple times throughout the day.


    When I switch it off, I usually unplug it for the reason Torbar pointed out.

  8. Ever since I got my 1991 Macintosh Classic recapped and back up and running, I've noticed I've developed the bad habit of turning it off and back on a couple times a day. As in I'll do something with it, turn it off, and turn it on a couple hours later when I want to do something else. I've read this can be harmful to the computer, I'm guessing especially to the (original Quantum ProDrive LPS) hard drive.


    Is it okay to turn the computer on and leave it on for several hours, even if I'm not using it? It has an AfterDark screensaver installed to protect the screen from burn-in, and I could probably remember to turn down the brightness when I power it on or before I leave it.

  9. I think it's pretty clear that I won't be able to network these two computers together without additional software or upgrading one of them to System 7. And, since I don't have a floppy drive, FloppyEmu/SCSI-2-SD or anything of the sort, that's not going to happen. (Not to mention the FloppyEmu would essentially make AppleTalk and networking essentially useless, at least for what I want to do.)


    I thought AppleTalk and file sharing was standard on pretty much all Macintosh models going back to the early models. I guess not...

  10. I'll try again, but as previously mentioned both machines are running versions of System 6. (System 6.0.7 and 6.0.8 on the Classic and SE, respectively. The Classic is the "host.") Enabling AppleTalk on the Classic doesn't do anything, because when I turn on the SE it doesn't show up in the Chooser?


    Perhaps I'm still missing something or I'm forgetting something. I usually plug the cable into both machines, power the Classic on, THEN power the SE on, then enable AppleTalk on the Classic. With that said, do I need to enable AppleTalk on the SE and restart it or something? There are no special AppleTalk or File Sharing menus in the Control Panel on either machine.


    As previously mentioned, while it would be nice to get these two machines talking via AppleTalk, it's not the end of the world. I'm hoping to buy a FloppyEmu in the near future, eliminating the need for the AppleTalk. (Since my only use for the AppleTalk, at least at the moment, is to share apps from the Classic to the SE, since the SE can't read the high-density disks.)

  11. A week ago I received the analog board for my 1991 Macintosh Classic back from having it re-capped. It works pretty well, but the guy who recapped it suggested that I add some fingernail polish over exposed copper traces (the nasty electrolyte ate away the silkscreen) to protect them from the elements/humidity. I just wanted to double-check: will fingernail polish work fine? I bought LA Colors "Rapid Dry Top Coat" clear nail polish at Walmart for less than $1. (It says it's flammable and to keep away from heat/flame.) I'm assuming I just spread it over the exposed copper?


    Hopefully this isn't a dumb question - but how do you remove the plastic shield on the back of the analog board? It appears to be held in place by multiple little plastic rivets(?) that hold it in place. Do those just pop out and pop back in?


    Also hoping this isn't another dumb question - but do I need to remove the logic board to discharge the CRT? Last time I did it I removed the logic board to be safe since I was grounding to the metal chassis of the computer. Is it safer/better to ground to the ground screw on the CRT?

  12. 10 hours ago, Dog Cow said:

    Is it an Apple-branded serial cable? The Apple StyleWriter cable will work to create a LocalTalk network between two Macintosh computers (or a Macintosh and a LaserWriter).

    It appears to be an Apple-branded serial cable. Below is a photo of one end of the cable. Both ends plugged right in to the printer ports on both computers.


    End also has "TWNPI3" and 590-0552-A molded in.



  13. Hmm... that's interesting. IIRC, Apple wanted each facility to make a specific model in the early 90s instead of making different machines for a specific region. I believe the high-end machines (II, Quadra series) were to be made in Fremont, the LC (and possibly SE/30?) was to be made in Ireland and the Classic/Classic II and other low-end machines (SE and Plus?) in Singapore. I don't think this ever panned out.


    I have a Singapore-made machine (1991 Classic) and a Fremont-made machine ('88 SE.) Now all I need is an Irish machine to complete my bingo card.

  14. Back in the day, Apple offered an upgrade kit where you could upgrade your 128k/512k to a Plus. I believe that usually changed the bucket, but kept the original face of the machine.


    Also, I believe that many European models were built in Fremont (and later Singapore) and not just Ireland. Likewise, I believe there are many models sold here in America (seems to be especially true with the SE/30) that were made in Ireland.

  15. So I guess I am missing something... I knew it couldn't be as easy as plugging the serial cable into the two machines. :lol: I'm not going to lie, I'm getting slightly confused by all of the "xxxTalk" systems out there - AppleTalk, LocalTalk, etc. Either way, I'm guessing I would need to get an adapter. Since I plan on getting the FloppyEmu (which will eliminate most of the problems via SneakerNet) I'd rather just wait.


    The ethernet card for the SE sounds interesting, especially with the possibility of connecting the computer to the internet. (I'm guessing that could happen, if I upgraded the memory and upgraded to System 7. Although I'm guessing the SE would be really slooooow on System 7.) As for transferring files, the FloppyEmu seems to be a decent option for me.


    Thanks everyone for your input. I think I'm going to go to bed - it's 2:30 in the morning and I'm tired.

  16. Since my SE can only read/write to double-density disks and all my software is on high-density disks, I've been thinking of a temporary workaround to test out software on the SE until I get a FloppyEmu for my Classic and SE. I recently got my Classic up and running, and I had an idea to use AppleTalk as a way to move files (applications) to the SE for testing. The SE came with a serial cable that fits perfectly into the printer and modem slots.


    I tried setting them up last night but had no luck whatsoever. On the Classic I go into Chooser and make AppleTalk active. However, on the SE, nothing shows up - even after making AppleTalk active on it through the Chooser, too. Both machines are connected to the printer port. The Classic is running 6.0.7 on the internal hard drive, the SE is running 6.0.8 on a double-density boot floppy. I believe the Classic was setup with an AppleTalk network by the previous owner.


    The first time I made AppleTalk active before connecting the cable. Would that have possibly caused an issue? Over on one of the Facebook groups people kept mentioning AppleTalk and File Sharing control panels. However, those are not present on either machine - perhaps that didn't come along until System 7, or I'm missing some software?


    It's not crucial I get AppleTalk working (after all, I plan on getting my hands on a FloppyEmu in a couple months) but it would be nice.


  17. I'll try to tackle cleaning and lubricating the disk drives in December when I have a lot of down time. I'm just not the most mechanically inclined, and I have a habit of messing something up or skipping over a crucial step. But I'll give it a try and follow along with the video. After all, I'm really trying to learn the ropes of the hobby.


    As for the bag, should I be able to wash it in the "high efficiency" front-load machines in our building, with a little bit of detergent? I'm guessing just put it on the "normal" setting for 30 minutes with cold water? Thankfully it appears I have a box that it *should* fit into - I can check later. Should giving it a wash take some of the cigarette/nicotine odor out?


    A user on Reddit recently suggested using an "Air Sponge" to get the nicotine smell out, which may work for the bag if washing doesn't work. It'd be great if that worked on the computer and peripherals, too - so I don't have to completely disassemble it to clean the plastics and/or replace parts. But, as previously mentioned, I don't think I'd go that far on the SE - at least not right now.

  18. Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not sure how far I'll want to go in terms of "restoring" the SE. If I ever have the machine completely disassembled (such as to retrobrite in the future) I'll probably go ahead and try your method. Until then, I think I can live with the odor. It's noticeable, but not horrible or breath-taking. Unfortunately, the bag is what smells the worst. I'd like to keep the carrying bag since (from what I've seen) they're not exactly cheap, and it works pretty well. It just needs a good cleaning. But I'm afraid there's probably no good way to get the odor out of it.


    The case itself is in poor cosmetic condition, obviously besides the yellowing and odor. It has some scratches and the pervious owner marked their name into both the bucket and top of the keyboard. What is the best method for cleaning the plastics and getting rid of the permanent marker without damaging the plastic?


    I've done some more playing around with the Macintosh SE (typing in TeachText) and noticed a very faint, narrow horizontal line that "rolls" from the top to bottom on the CRT. I'm assuming that's normal and nothing to be concerned with. The clock has been maintaining time since I set it to the proper time earlier today. I can't wait to get a FloppyEmu for this machine so I can play some games and run some additional software on it.


    Sometime when I have a lot of down time (probably December) I'll try to get the SE apart and tackle the floppy drives per the guide by @LaPorta. I've only been able to skim through the video but it looks like a daunting task with all of the disassembly.

  19. Status update on the SE: it's alive, sorta.


    Friday I got the 6.0.8 boot floppy. The SE booted right into it, with no issues. Everything seems to be working fine, and then some. After 32 years, the original Varta battery has appeared to have held a charge. The system date was spot-on, and the time was only off by about an hour. Incredible. It has even seemed to "saved" the previous owner's favorite system sound - the monkey.





    I'm guessing my next step in this project is to go ahead and remove the floppy drives to clean and lubricate them. (I decided to live on the edge a bit by inserting the boot floppy into the drive, despite the label on the envelope instructing to only insert in a cleaned/lubricated drive.)


    While I'm at that, I guess I'm going to go ahead and clean the plastic to the best of my ability. (No retrobriting.) Any suggestions? There seem to be some marks on the keyboard and top of the bucket. Also, any suggestions for getting rid or at least masking the cigarette odor - or am I just stuck with that? I'd also like to clean up the bag. I've been thinking about possibly lugging the SE to our student union and setting it up to do some "work" when I get a FloppyEmu for it so I can load additional software. (All I can do right now is boot into System 6 and use the Control Panel and TeachText. All my software is on high-density diskettes this SE can't read. And it seems like acquiring blank double-density disks can be a difficult and costly task.)


    My 1991 Macintosh Classic project is also moving forward. The analog board has been recapped and both boards are (AFAIK) on their way back to me. The guy who recapped the board (Thomas) told me that I would need to apply some clear nail polish over some of the exposed copper traces that the silkscreen rubbed off on before installing it back in the computer. I also need to clean and lubricate the SuperDrive in the Classic, as well as clean the plastics and little fan. (The Classic is surprisingly clean inside and out, but I decided to go ahead and clean the fan while I have easy access to it.)


    One thing I've been thinking about a lot today on the Classic is a 555 timer IC that may be failing. Thomas mentioned that the weird garbage on the screen when the computer first boots (which sometimes doesn't happen, and when it does happen can last anywhere from 5 seconds to 30 minutes or longer) may be caused by a bad 555 timer IC that isn't triggering a reset properly. It dawned on me today that back in early June when the computer was (nearly) fully operational, the clock would sometimes "freeze." Possibly these are connected? Either way, I don't think that affected performance besides the weird garbage.


  20. Is there a good place to purchase blank 800k/Double Density disks? I went ahead and ordered the 6.0.8 system boot floppy, but just realized all my software is on High Density disks that will only work in my Classic. All of the ones on eBay I could find had the system software already installed.


    Obviously, it's not a huge problem because I plan to get the FloppyEmu. But I think it would be nice to have at least some software on floppies, and have some blank floppies as backups.

  21. 19 hours ago, LaPorta said:

    You can still write to floppies; the issue is that the newer OS versions don’t support writing to the HFS file system, which these floppies use. The other issue you would have is no USB drive can write to 800k floppies, just 1.4 MB ones.

    I thought macOS dropped support from writing to floppies way back before APFS. I guess to write it I would need to transfer the file to my Macintosh Classic, then copy it over to a 800k disk. But it sounds like 800k disks can be quite rare.


    I went ahead and purchased a 6.0.8 boot floppy for the SE on eBay. Which is actually one version newer than what's on my Classic - which is 6.0.7.

    17 hours ago, cheesestraws said:

    An aside: it may be worth trying to network them, if you're transferring files around regularly.  Networking classic macs is dead easy and works very well (LocalTalk is slow but effective) and you can bridge it to Ethernet in a number of ways (I use what boils down to being a spare LC II) to get files on and off more modern machines.

    I've thought about this but these are the only two vintage Macs I have at this point, and I plan on getting a FloppyEmu at some point in the (hopefully near) future. With that said, I think there's a serial cable included in the bag that I could possibly connect between my Classic and SE.


    I'm not sure what I'm going to use the SE for yet. I know I want to use the Classic for some word processing and playing vintage games, but I've been scratching my head thinking of a purpose for the SE. (I was hoping my next vintage Mac would be a modular Mac of some form, like a LC or II/Quadra, so I can play around with System 7 and a color display.) I'm thinking about possibly using the SE as the one I can tote around, and keep the Classic here.

  22. 2 hours ago, LaPorta said:

    To my knowledge, there are no "new" 800k disks out there, only NOS ones. I could always get a system disk out to you (not original, mind you). Did you clean/lubricate the floppy drives?


    You do seem to have a very nice, crisp screen there.

    I have not lubricated or cleaned the floppy drives on both machines, though I'd like to do it. Both drives in the SE seem to work really well (I believe the seller said the machine sat in storage for 10+ years) and the drive on the Classic also seems to work well. How do you clean/lubricate the drives?


    If it's okay, could I PM my address to you? I don't really mind if the boot material is original or not, but I'd really like to get the SE booted into an operating system like System 6. I can cover the cost of postage, although I don't think it'd be that much considering it'd likely just be a floppy.


    Kinda sad/annoyed that macOS doesn't support writing to floppies. AFAIK, Windows still supports it but I've heard Windows can "corrupt" the files or something along that line. Also, many files from Macintosh Garden are archived in StuffIt packages, which I expand on my MBP. Oh well... I plan to get a FloppyEmu at some point in the future, which will simplify things a bit and allow me to easily transfer files between my modern Mac and these old Macs. I don't have a USB floppy drive or any blank diskettes anyways.


    As for the display, yes. Despite being in relatively poor cosmetic condition, the display on the SE seems to be in really good condition. It needs a good cleaning, as with the rest of the computer. But it's bright and I can't see any burn-in.

  23. I'll clip out the battery next time I have it apart. That speaker connector really threw me. I think I'm going to leave the battery out of the SE, since it's probably not going to be used as much, and it doesn't have the brightness settings in software. (Which is nice.)


    Does anyone have a system software boot disk that I can use for this machine? I don't have a floppy drive (or 800k floppies, either) and it didn't come with any floppies. (Strangely, it did come with the two yellow floppy drive protector inserts and the original mouse pad.) I plan on picking up a FloppyEmu in the future for the Classic and the SE, but that probably won't be for another couple months.


    I know you can still buy 1.44 MB "high-density" floppies, but is there anywhere you can still purchase 800k floppies for a reasonable price? If my thinking is correct, I can still write to 800k floppies using the SuperDrive in the Classic.

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