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danamania
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Australia
1193 Posts
Posted - 11 Dec 2003 :  03:14:21
I've only done this in the 6100, but I'm pretty sure looking at how well it's worked with it that the 68k macs in the same case would benefit too =)

One of the problems with them is really dud airflow. Part of the problem is that on the inside of the PSU is a mesh covering the fan. Give that a little dust and the airflow is cut down pretty badly. I threw that away a while ago.

There's also a pretty restrictive fan guard on the outlet of the fan on those PSUs too. I ripped THAT out also. Now this one seems to have really brought the machine up to well-cooled!. Not only is the whole PSU a lot quieter, it's also not all THAT much dangerous than it was. OK that sounds kinda bad, but really, the fan is pointing downwards. Works for me, and seems to let a good deal more air through.

With those two changes the cpu on a 6100/66 feels decidedly cooler. So there.

My dodgy tech article of the month, or something *grin*

Oh yeah. pics. 2 of them on http://www.danamania.com/gallery/beige?&page=2

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maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts
Posted - 11 Dec 2003 :  05:32:39
Impressive! Btw, Dana...slightly off topic question. How healthy is the mobo in that rusted out 605? Just wondering, because a few months ago, i found out the top of the processor card cage thingy in my iMac had rusted out, so I removed it. Underneath that cage was my 64 meg SO-DIMM which had magically died (that was the reason for having the iMac open in the first place!) Anyway, i'm not sure, but i reckon that some rust must've fallen onto the SO-DIMM, and shorted it out when i went to boot the iMac....i'm actually amazed that it didn't short the whole machine out!

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danamania
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Australia
1193 Posts
Posted - 11 Dec 2003 :  05:55:43
quote:

Impressive! Btw, Dana...slightly off topic question. How healthy is the mobo in that rusted out 605? Just wondering, because a few months ago, i found out the top of the processor card cage thingy in my iMac had rusted out, so I removed it. Underneath that cage was my 64 meg SO-DIMM which had magically died (that was the reason for having the iMac open in the first place!) Anyway, i'm not sure, but i reckon that some rust must've fallen onto the SO-DIMM, and shorted it out when i went to boot the iMac....i'm actually amazed that it didn't short the whole machine out!

The 605 booted OK, but it DID get quite a bit of rust floating down on it. Thankfully dry enough and not in enough quantity to conduct anything in a bad way. I'll clean it up next time I use the machine. Had lots to play with the server lately (getting it ready for 512/512 dsl, quite a bit more bandwidth outgoing)

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts
Posted - 12 Dec 2003 :  20:21:27
LOL! iLike

I wonder if there's a way to make an 840av's HDD quieter. Because the loudest part of my 840av, when alive, was it's hard drive...

the PSU and it's innards when working alone, are actually rather quiet, but somewhat useless without the hdd

(What was that kind of flash/memcard memory that wasn't limited in the number of reads and writes?) (Maybe getting a scsi reader for that, )

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The Lightning Stalker
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USA
747 Posts
Posted - 12 Dec 2003 :  20:38:35
What flash memory IS limited in the number of reads and writes?
quote:
i found out the top of the processor card cage thingy in my iMac had rusted out

Man, I've been noticeing all kinds of computer parts rusting lately. It seems like where you touch the bare metal parts of CDROMS and cases and things, rust forms in the pattern of the fingerprints. Eventually, it will probably rust through. I have enough to worry about with my car rusting out, now this! But seriously, has anyone else noticed this or am I going crazy?

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Trash80toG-4
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USA
2899 Posts
Posted - 12 Dec 2003 :  20:54:30
I just gutted the power supply of a IIfx to graft an ATX PSU into the shell and I got a big surprise. Apple actually used PanaFlo fans in those babies!

I guess a $10,000 computer deserved high quality, quiet components!

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maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts
Posted - 12 Dec 2003 :  21:14:10
quote:

What flash memory IS limited in the number of reads and writes?
quote:
i found out the top of the processor card cage thingy in my iMac had rusted out

Man, I've been noticeing all kinds of computer parts rusting lately. It seems like where you touch the bare metal parts of CDROMS and cases and things, rust forms in the pattern of the fingerprints. Eventually, it will probably rust through. I have enough to worry about with my car rusting out, now this! But seriously, has anyone else noticed this or am I going crazy?

The Lightning Stalker

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Interesting...i've never had problems like that..

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts
Posted - 12 Dec 2003 :  21:57:29
lol, there was a kind of static memory that was limited in reads and writes, not sure what oen though...

Other than that, i haven't noticed too much of rusting with my stuff, but that's just my stuff

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G4from128k
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USA
873 Posts
Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  05:08:30
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quote:
What flash memory IS limited in the number of reads and writes?


Yes. IIRC, most flash memory cards have a life of about 10,000 -100,000 write cycles (read cycles are unlimited AFAIK). This has been discussed in many places and it seems more like a theoretical problem rather than a real problem. Nobody has reported any problems from actually using flash to replace a boot drive. Also, some flash cards have clever circuitry to spread the write cycle over the card so that a single heavily rewritten file does not wear out a single location on the card. A flash card should provide hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of trouble-free use.
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We now return to our regularly scheduled discussion of 6100 cooling.....

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danamania
Official 68k Muse


Australia
1193 Posts
Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  05:16:16
quote:

LOL! iLike
I wonder if there's a way to make an 840av's HDD quieter. Because the loudest part of my 840av, when alive, was it's hard drive...

Yes! likely there would be... My 6100 is a great deal noisier when the drive is mounted on the drive sled, physically locked into that big plastic tray that holds drives. I have the HD sitting on felt in the CDROM bay now.

I'd bet it'd make some difference to an 8100 too, if you could just sit the drive loose in the drive bay, sitting on thick material (but not wrapped in it... heat and all)

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  07:09:27
SRAM cards do not have a lifespan limitation like thier counterparts, Flash Memory.

The only down side is that SRAM requires constant power or the data is lost. It's often used in devices such as Digital Cameras where Flash Memory, given the sheer number of photos a user takes on a stock model Camera, would easily give out before the warranty. (Most Cameras ship with 8-16MB, and serve as Web Cams with the ability to record video footage when powered on the battery, meaning disk writes are constant, and low memory means more stops to unload photos and more writes to memory)

SRAM cards do share a common trait with Flash Memory in that they do come in PCMCIA form and can be used to boot most IDE based systems.

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts
Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  09:37:20
I like that idea, hadn't thought of it before, having the drive sit on sorts of 'shock absorbers' and such. (so as to absorb the sound and 'yeah')

Another thing, is that you can get blank cdromdrive bezels, and thus block out the noise caused by the hdd there, and that is farther away from any venting holes.

Maybe, it'll be Cory's Quest: The perfect 840av. (or not, seein's how I no longer have my 840av...)

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The Lightning Stalker
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747 Posts
Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  15:16:48
 Maybe you could also try wedging some foam in between the bezel and the RF shielding. There is RF shielding in the 8100, right? Maybe even between the drive and the bezel. Don't go overboard, though, or else the drive could overheat.Go to Top of Page
danamania
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Australia
1193 Posts
Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  16:22:45
quote:

 Maybe you could also try wedging some foam in between the bezel and the RF shielding. There is RF shielding in the 8100, right? Maybe even between the drive and the bezel. Don't go overboard, though, or else the drive could overheat.

That reminds me - Q950s bezels fit really badly if the RF shielding gets bent in an odd way. It never quite goes back how it should. I ripped it all out and everything sits so much better :)

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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER


USA
2899 Posts
Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  16:43:01
quote:

SRAM cards do not have a lifespan limitation like thier counterparts, Flash Memory.

The only down side is that SRAM requires constant power or the data is lost. . .

SRAM cards do share a common trait with Flash Memory in that they do come in PCMCIA form and can be used to boot most IDE based systems.



You guys ar KILLING ME!!!!!!

You've got me looking at my 2300c with a crazed hackers glee YET AGAIN!

Somebody over on 'fritter was asking about adding cache to his 5300. In between researching the links in that thread, posting a response with the DevNote links for the 5300c with your advice on the SRAM cards after checking it here again, I've discovered that the 5300FAQ appears to be in error. The Baboon ASIC used in the NuBus PPC PB generation supports TWO IDE devices, that's likely why the 1400c can have an ATAPI CD and its IDE boot disk on the same IDE bus!

Baboon is the IDE ASIC in the 2300c as well! As if that weren't enough, the TREX PCMCIA controller could most likely be grafted onto the Duo's Docking connector if it's buffered exactly like the FDD controller and SCSI controllers are implemented in the MicroDocks. That gives me two different approaches for hacking an SRAM card into my 2300c to get a speed boost using an IDE<->PCMCIA adapter and possibly to attach a wireless network card!

YOU'RE FREAKIN' KILLING ME!!!!

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cory5412
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USA
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Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  18:29:42
well, if you want me to do some more killing, I think it'd be an interesting thought to see how much you could overclock a 6100 with these cooling enhancements

6100/80 anyone?

Iff'n I had a 6100 or ten, I might try it

It makes me wonder how I'd be able to improve cooling in the 7300, and what opportunities would exist for enhancing it's speed a wee bit

Trash, do you like, need a bit pallete of spare duos? you sure like hacking them

Another interesting thought, IMHO, would to have a quadra 610 (the kind with ethernet ) with a full 40MHz 040 and overclock it a wee bit... maybe to 50 MHz (the max of an 040, right?) and then run A/UX on it. I would love to see a forum or a gallery running there

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 13 Dec 2003 :  20:02:52
Actually Cory, there are forum software out there that use flat files, essentialy a txt file with each post and reply, so it's not required to have a power hungry database machine. A 68K could probably do that quite nicely as long as it can run PHP or CGI.

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts
Posted - 14 Dec 2003 :  03:25:42
IIRC, ML5 has been working on making his q700 into a A/UX machine with apache... I'm not sure as far as php goes, but I also know that CGI will work with Apple's PWS and MacHTTP...

Which forum softwares are they? and will any of them run on CGI? I think it'd be interesting to see MacHTTP and it's CGI abilities maybe run a forum...

I also wonder how much of a mac it'd take to run something like that, and how fast it would be...

Even so, I would wonder how well a 68k would run a MySQL or oracle 7 or whatever database... (it can't be that bad, can it?)

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
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Posted - 14 Dec 2003 :  07:31:56
Sourceforge.net will have a listing of what forum software supports flat files. (txt files)

If you think about the actual speed and instructions per minute that a 68K has, and what portion is taken my Mac OS, then whatever is left is cycled through video updates, disk functions, there really isn't alot left for other tasks.

I'm sure the databases will run fine, but it's a matter of how much load they can take. After a certian number of loads it just gets too much.

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