There is a protocal developed by Apple and others which can route Appletalk over TCP/IP (and in some cases even routers have this function, to link several machines as one network).

The reason I am looking for this is because I am going to be setting up my Classic II to run FirstClass Server, and FirstClass 2.7 does not have TCP/IP support, it relies on a user iether dialing in or using the network to connect. So, I need to let users route thier Mac to my Mac via TCP/IP and for them to see all Appletalk traffic as if they were physically in the same room/network.

I know it's out there, but the hard part is finding it. Anyone know of anything?

If FirstClass doesnt have tcpip support, there is probably something that does, and you can probably get it inexpensively.

that having been said, on OSX you can enable TCP/IP, and AppleTalk, (0ver ethernet), so look for OSX based programs, maybe even an OS9 program so's you can use a "bridge" mac...

Maybe a mac with serial ports (to the classicII) and an ethernet port (to TCP/IP)

are you using FirstClass locally, or over the internet? because there has to be a way for this stuff to come out on the clients' end as well... which could cause problems?

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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation.

AppleTalk is a completely diffeent protocol, but I would still be ENTIRELY surprised if your router and/or hub or whatever was unable to transmit AppleTalk packets. it's just packets sent over the network, and most ethernet works in the same way, especially since AppleTalk isn't a token-based system.

I'm still wondering exactly what FirstClass server, is, so far as I can gather, it's a server program (duh) but what does it do? well it could be a chat/irc type thing, (but that woudln't have a client limit would it?) it looks as though it's probably a file server ("the first of it's kind with resumable downloads" led me to that one.)

I'm certain that there is some VERY Open Source solutions that will work with this thing called the "internet" beccause I'm not sure if AppleTalk on TCP/IP will work.
and if it does, it'll be complex, unreliable and the download on the client's end will be bigger than the client for your first class dealie.

FirstClass is a message/collaberation/web system that has complete mesage system, conferences and message systems all in one easy to use program and it can be run all from a broswer if need be.

www.softarc.com

Logan

I have been doing some more research and it seems the protocall only exists for local hardware, not for networks spanning the internet. Although the protocall aloows it to be routed over TCP/IP, this is generally only for internal networks and not for the net.

What would be needed is a special application or extension/control panel which would load after Mac OS loads and begin a TCP/IP handshake with an Appletalk network and establish the remote machine as a participant in the network, where on both ends, the TCP/IP would be converted into Appletalk protocall, acting as if the machines were on the same Appletalk nodes/networks.

Because this mainly involves older Macs, I'm sure there won't be any support for it, but I do have one person I can ask, they might be able to furnish some information.

One a side note, I sent an upgrade request to FirstClass, so if they approve it, I can start usng FC 7.1. I just need to get the large number of licenses.

how much is this newer liscence?

that sounds like a really cool thing to try (and IIRC, it was 240something kbps...)

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