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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  08:56:00
I knowthe 5300cs and it's family was considered a "Road Apple" but I beg to differ. This things is awesome! I read up Apple's warning about SCSI Disk Mode (I remember a guy complaining it toasted his disk so I thought I'd better read up on it) It turns out all I needed to do was make sure the last 16MB of the disk was on a seperate partition so it wouldn't be corrupted. (That and of course, not putting in a drive over 4GB in the Book.)

It plays MP3's just great, I can setup IpRouter to serve the net over MacIP, and do all my work, scanning from it.

The only thing it needs is a new battery and maybe a NIC card or Flash Card. What I really want is a SRAM PCMCIA card for virtual memory. SRAM cards are fast and do not have a limited lifetime unlike Flash cards which die after so many writes.

I might grab an old Newton Flash Card and use it as an emergency boot disk in case anything every goes awry.

So far It's running great and it's my favorite mac, next to the 8600.

I also got a Classic II, which I will be using to run FirstClass Server, and hopefully if I can get my 50 User license disk repaired, I can have it functional over the net. It's so cool to have a little Classic in the closet running FirstClass, you never have to touch it iether, cause you admin it remote. :) (I just need a util to turn the screen off so it doesn't burn)

I'm gonna be having fun today, off to buy parts for my macs and be in heaven! ;-)

G4from128k
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USA
873 Posts
Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  09:08:34
I agree with your counterarguements to the "Road Apple" designation of the 5300cs. Too many people think that if a computer is not the ultimate in performance, features, expandability, etc., then it must be a bad machine. This is not so. Just because something is not best, does not mean that it is not good. And with the way the used Mac market underprices these so-called Road Apples, an RA can be a really good way to get a nicely functional machine.

Enjoy your Macs and have fun buying parts for them.

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q950
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USA
135 Posts
Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  10:06:24
You need to be careful with SRAM cards, they are very volatile because they are essentially just regular memory that is powered by a small battery, which dies after several years. The fact that they use regular memory is probably also what makes them fast. I have never heard of Flash cards dying after so many writes. What you could do is just get a PCMCIA to CompactFlash adapter and then use it for a boot/storage disk. Computer sees it just like a hard disk. That would probably be cheaper than if you were to just try and buy a Flash PCMCIA card. I was able to get a 128 MB CF card at the store for 30 bucks and the adapter for 5 on ebay a couple of months back.

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cory5412
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Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  10:22:15
What's FirstClass and can I be one of the 50?

Theres' alot of macs whose road apple classifications I disagree with as well, for example, one of them is probably the Mac IIsi (was it a road apple?) and even the *OTHER* 5300 useful lil' buggers they are. both 5300 series

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  11:35:03
If I ever get the FirstClass Server running with all 50 Client Licenses, it will be reserved for Adminstrative Group of the Tempest Project, Repository, and other functions including Mac projects, so your MLAgazine can have a small spot on it, but FirstClass 2.5 although feature rich may not be what you call "speedy" since it will be running on an Appletalk cable which is limited to like 20kb/s.

But, FirstClass isn't graphic or power intensive, the Classic can have over 50 people hooked up at once and they won't use much bandwidth. If each person used 1KB/s and that was cycled between users, it would be speedy.

Not to mention Cory that FirstClass was one of the first suites that let you resume downloads.

Your area will most likely have messages and feedback, with your mailbox. I am not sure if the mailbox can be hooked online, I believ it's internal mail. Not quite sure though.

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Derekcat
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USA
342 Posts
Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  13:55:13
I dont belive that most "road apples" should be called such… [other then the x2xx series' those things *can't* seem to go fast…]
I mean… I have never had a problem with a IIsi, and the teacher at my school that I got them from said his class had a full set of em, and they were great to him…
and my PB 5300ce works perfectly… worst thing is that the case is starting to seperate a little…

Oh, can anyone tell me why I can't double tap-click the touch pad on the PB5300ce? [I now that on my two Alps adb touch pads I can…]

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G4from128k
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USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  14:04:03
Yes, the IIsi truely does not deserve Road Apple designation. LEM faults Apple for having the audicity of selling a less feature-packed machine for a lower price. So they claim the IIsi is "less than it should have been."

As for why you can't double-tap the touchpad, poke about in the control panels (try "Trackpad", "Mouse" or "powerbook"). IIRC, there is some setting for that. Also the double-click speed (in "General Controls") might be too fast.

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maclover5
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Australia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  14:06:57
I agree. IMHO, most Road Apples really shouldn't be called that, even though they had a few problems, and if you shop around carefully, you can often get a really good machine.

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Gothikon
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Australia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  16:33:35
I never new the IIsi was a road apple, it really isn't compared to the Performa x200 and x300s which are pretty crap, I'd take a performa 630 over any of them. I'd rather have a neat 68k than a crap PPC.

Personally I'm not a fan of the 5300 either though, I've worked on a fair few and they sucked pretty badly. the memory socket had snapped off one of the ones I saw and the LCD screen cacked it putting vertical lines through everything. A friends colleague got one when it was brand new, one with a flaming battery!

If you get one that works fair enough, but I'd never fork out any money for one.

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 29 Aug 2003 :  18:16:37
Derek, Apple didn't put a tappable trackpad in the 5300. But you can replace it from a trackpad from earlier Powerbooks of 68k's that did no problem.

There are guides on the net how to do it somehow.

Apple's real Road Apples were the ones that used IDE and had faulty chips and designs which rendered them completely useless, much like the Performa 3200CD and others. I remember a client of mine had a 3200 and the thing crawled. And OS 8 refused to install because of that chip problem Apple had, and I even took it in and they said it passed the test ok. So, a true Road Apple.

I think the Road Apples are ones where Aple decided to cheap out and it had a horrible effect on the machine, like those Performa series, which were buggy and the data access rate and cpu/bus design was so slow that updating the screen was slow and cumbersome.

I found a place that has batteries, but they Are gonna be 200 Dollars Canadian. I'll save up on that one.

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132 Posts
Posted - 01 Sep 2003 :  23:15:58
Strange I had a 5300 die last week with a bad logic board. The 5300 did deserve it's road apple status mainly because Apple released the product before the bugs were worked like flaming batteries. The 5300 went through two major "recalls" as I remember though Apple never called it that. The plastics were weak on the machine as well. If you did not have a battery in the machine you could easily crack the right side of the machine. There was no cache on the processor so it was slower than it should have been. The memory module could easily dislodge and you would be back to only the soldered on memory.
On the plus side it had a great form factor for a machine of it's vintage, one reason I kept one around. It did not have a built-in CD Rom but on this machine it was a plus since it meant it was lighter. The battery life was not bad on it. It was a good notetaker, a suppliment to a desktop machine but not a replacment.

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Alien
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Netherlands
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Posted - 02 Sep 2003 :  02:24:35
quote:
You need to be careful with SRAM cards, they are very volatile because they are essentially just regular memory that is powered by a small battery, which dies after several years. The fact that they use regular memory is probably also what makes them fast.

They're statics RAM (SRAM), not regular RAM, which is dynamic RAM (DRAM). Being SRAM is what makes it fast. SRAM is faster than DRAM (cache RAM is usually SRAM).

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I have never heard of Flash cards dying after so many writes.

But that doesn't mean it's not true:

The Pros and Cons of Using PCMCIA Flash Cards in PowerBooks

quote:
What you could do is just get a PCMCIA to CompactFlash adapter and then use it for a boot/storage disk. Computer sees it just like a hard disk. That would probably be cheaper than if you were to just try and buy a Flash PCMCIA card.

It would also use less power, most likely. PCMCIA Flash RAM is going out of style, while CompactFlash, MemoryStick, SmartMedia, SecureDigital and MultiMediaCard are all the rage. They use more modern components, and hence are usually faster and more efficient than their PCMCIA forefathers. Not to mention cheaper.

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Posted - 02 Sep 2003 :  05:42:50
I haven't used many 5200s, and the ones I did use were actually 5260s... but they didnt' seem that bad...

I mean... look at it this way.

You have a Performa 5260/120, so you know what speed it is even, and then you have a Macintosh LC with the 12" color monitor..

I obviously wanted to use the 5260

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Derekcat
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USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2003 :  16:13:33
in school most of the time they seem to be 5260/100's…

but compare them to a 5400/180, or even a 5400/120… so much better…
the 5260/100's really were way too slow…

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QuadraJets
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Posted - 02 Sep 2003 :  18:46:31
My 5300cs rocked, until the hard drive crashed

Oh well, it still works (other than the hard drive), after resoldering the ac adaptor socket twice, washing the mobo twice after my sister's "mountain dew incident", and being dropped 6 feet.

It is being replaced by a powerbook g4 12" superdrive that I just ordered

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cory5412
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Posted - 02 Sep 2003 :  22:22:09
Remember derek, I said 5260/120

and yes, I am completely aware of the shortcomings of this series of computer, 5200 (and both 5300s) but theyre still macs, they still have their place and still deserve as much love and respect as someone can muster for them....

If it won't run OS8, then I have OS7.5/7.6 somewhere around here, it'd make a great TV with or without OS8, it'll still run older versions of Office, and if it'll run OS9, it runs almost everything I could do with OS9 on the TiBook, just slower, smaller, and a bit less at a time.

Isn't this exactly the same rationale we use with our 68k's?

anyway, if the motherboard is ÜberBorked, they make really nice cases for 630's....

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Posted - 04 Sep 2003 :  06:22:03
I agree with that Cory. Back at the Shop, we had a 5260 with no mobo, and a few spare 630 boards, so i put a 630 board into the 5260. Slammed in a 500 meg HD and loaded it with 7.6.1, and it ran great till the PSU died!

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Posted - 04 Sep 2003 :  06:28:29
LOL!

I didn't know people actually DID that!

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Posted - 04 Sep 2003 :  06:47:47
Well i did.

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
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Posted - 04 Sep 2003 :  15:31:21
Apple was nice enough to run a few lines of machines that could swap parts, that way if Apple had business customers that needed replacements under warranty, they could offer them the latest model, since it's easier to grab the latest than for Apple to stockpile old technology or rummage through thier basement.

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cory5412
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Posted - 05 Sep 2003 :  06:47:53
It was NOT for that reason, the machines were designed to be easily user servicible, Television Tuner, Audio Video cards, memory and much things like that were able to go in and out of the machines with ease.

Apple kept this design with it's Performas and Consumer PowerMacs for a very long time, because it was successful... *NOT* because it offered businesses that bought hoardes of 580's the chance to up themselves to something closer of a 200MHz 603e for half the price of a 7300 (or whatever.)

that's IMHO anyway, while that kind of stuff was possible, the performas weren't he business machines.

MANY apple products and product lines have had interchangeable parts, like the PSU in the IIci, IIvi, IIvx, IIcx, p600 and PowerMac 7100...

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Ivory Coast
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Posted - 05 Sep 2003 :  13:58:35
Cory why you use so many caps, I included a wink at the end of my post, aka a la joke per the storage part.

= semi or joke.

Apple was being kind, what better way to replace a twisted logic board with it's brother, it's all in the family! (Notice the wink, I'm not being serious here! Seriously!

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