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cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 12:30:07 So I downloaded SoftWin'doze from our hotline server and installed it on my Quadra 840av with a 500MB drive partition and 16MB of RAM (the max setting). Of course, I've used Win 3.1 before, but only when sitting there with it in a seperate 800x600 window did I realize just how ghastly an OS it is. I mean, jesus, this has to be one of the worst GUI OS's ever coded. Even OS/2, BeOS and NeXT Step look like they're modern compared to it. It's almost sickening, and yet, somehow, I find it amusing to have it just sitting there, in the middle of my elegant OS 8.1 desktop. Not only is it ugly, though, but it appears to be fairly useless, as well. I'm looking through Tucows' Win 3.1 section for apps, and it's pretty slim. There's some crappy games, some even crappier browsers and email tools and some reprehensible image, video and audio editing apps that wouldn't even make a calculator jealous. You can actually run IE 5.01 on it, which I didn't think was possible, though I'm not going to bother. I think of it more as a novelty than anything else. Maybe I'll grab some of the software packages I see at the thrift store all the time and install them just for kicks. It seems to crash every so often, yet it's probably more stable than it ever was on any x86 box. How anyone could have ever considered this a "real" OS is beyond me...? 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site! Edited by - cinemafia on 07 Feb 2002 12:32:15
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 12:53:06 quote: So I downloaded SoftWin'doze from our hotline server and installed it on my Quadra 840av with a 500MB drive partition and 16MB of RAM (the max setting). Of course, I've used Win 3.1 before, but only when sitting there with it in a seperate 800x600 window did I realize just how ghastly an OS it is. I mean, jesus, this has to be one of the worst GUI OS's ever coded. At least it was semi-stable, 3.0 shouldn't even happen to a winte........! But CorelDraw was THE illustration software for outline type in that dreary era for mac software. Thank goodness Typestyler came out for my SE! When Illustrator & Freehand finally included type-to-outlines I was in heaven! Look for the "Arcade" set of games, I'd like to know how Missle Command fares under emulation, that looked pretty sharp on Win 3.X. I think I've got some interesting apps.....in a ...box some....whe................
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 13:01:29 I can't find any arcade-style games anywhere, just crappy board and casino games. I wouldn't mind any donations or links if you know of 'em. I guess it is pretty stable though, especially as an EMU...it's been running solid since yesterday. Good lord is it ugly...the only thing that saves it is the monochrome color setting, then it at least isn't so gaudy. 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site! Edited by - cinemafia on 07 Feb 2002 13:03:05
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 14:12:06 quote: I can't find any arcade-style games anywhere, just crappy board and casino games. I wouldn't mind any donations or links if you know of 'em. I guess it is pretty stable though, especially as an EMU...it's been running solid since yesterday. Good lord is it ugly...the only thing that saves it is the monochrome color setting, then it at least isn't so gaudy. check this out: http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,1989,00.asp then check out variations of thes search parameters: http://www.google.com/search?q=arcade+.zip+windows+%22missile+command%22&site=swr&hl=en&as_qdr=all&start=20&sa=N I think CGA on the 1000sx was the only color monitor I had back then! Hercules Graphics first then GS VGA was a big improvement. At some point I ended up with color-15"vga/386/33 via an electronics development project I was involved in. When I finally splurged on a monitor it was a BW Panasonic 19" TPD for the IIx that I got for the Rocket (PIXELS!PIXELS!PIXELS! had basically lived in a 512x342 world until then, almost 6x the pixels seemed like a freakin' football field!. b&w was fine, brain did color anyway, so saved $ for Rocket/32MB). Win 3.X looked somewhat different from my perspective. don't hurl on your keyboard! jt
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 14:16:21 quote: I can't find any arcade-style games anywhere, just crappy board and casino games. Not gonna find 'em very well unless you re-edit w******s into my search string, sometimes this censor joke is more annoying than funny! jt
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 16:31:38 http://host.ipowerweb.com/~gamesdow/framed.htm dunno, looked interesting.
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 21:08:27 I downloaded that arcade pack, put it on a PC formatted floppy and ran the executable from softWindoze and it installed, but the directory it created was empty, no games in it. Christ I hate this archaic file hierarchy...I'll try installing it again... Why, god, why? 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site!
danamania Official 68k Muse Australia 1193 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 22:06:45 quote: Of course, I've used Win 3.1 before, but only when sitting there with it in a seperate 800x600 window did I realize just how ghastly an OS it is. Most of the time I try to not let my biases show. And when it comes to using win3.11, how useful it is, what the software does etc, I can't comment... ...but oh lord it's the most disgustingly ugly break-the-rules-of-making-a-gui OS I've seen too. thank you for the opportunity to rant this rant :) dana
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2002 : 22:48:02 quote: Most of the time I try to not let my biases show. And when it comes to using win3.11, how useful it is, what the software does etc, I can't comment... ...but oh lord it's the most disgustingly ugly break-the-rules-of-making-a-gui OS I've seen too. thank you for the opportunity to rant this rant Maniac, you should get a load of windows 286! Cine shouldn't look, I don't think he could keep his lunch down. It was disgusting in grayscale! I waited about 2 1/2 months for 3.0 to ship just to avoid ever having to install it. Bleeeeeeccchhh! Win 3.0 was the only .0 I EVER bought for any machine, musta been the third person in line the day it was released. It coulda been a magenta command line on a puce screen with dayglow purple highlights and it woulda been gorgeous! * ..ugh .... from a utilitarian standpoint anyway .....* But there is nothin' purtier than the 300 free fonts turned into formatted text in CorelDraw then convertin'em into postscript paths that translated into polylines for the steppers in the plotter to cut vinyl letters for the first time. The real beauty is in the work you can do with the tools, the rest is just window dressing. jt
danamania Official 68k Muse Australia 1193 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2002 : 00:23:54 quote: But there is nothin' purtier than the 300 free fonts turned into formatted text in CorelDraw then convertin'em into postscript paths that translated into polylines for the steppers in the plotter to cut vinyl letters for the first time. The real beauty is in the work you can do with the tools, the rest is just window dressing. oh - yesdefinitely. When thats what you have at the time... it's what you work with. I did some funky graphic coding for the amiga games I wrote, and the environment was kinda ick, but it all came out in the end. Must have had something going for it, 'cos it's coming up to a year on OSX and I haven't coded a thing worthwhile :D dana
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2002 : 09:46:37 I finally got the game pack to install, but they wouldn't run. So, I reinstalled them set to use the standard 'dows graphics, as there is no physical graphics card, and I don't think the Soft'dows can link to the video card being used by the Quadra. Rebooted SW, tried running it again, still no go. I dont know whether it's a problem with the Emu or the game itself...I'll try installing something else and see if it works. This novelty is quickly becoming a headache. Oh yeah, and here's a screenshot I took to show the 'dows 800x600 desktop within the MacOS 1024x768 one. 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site! Edited by - cinemafia on 08 Feb 2002 09:47:50
Wonkothesane Full Member USA 506 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2002 : 09:58:13 Wow, that does look ugly. What apps (not cheesy games) can you run on something that only emulates a 286, anyway? Maybe an older version of the Borland C compiler? Wonko The Sane Engineer-in-training 3 Macs Liberated "You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool."- Wonko The Sane
alcoa Full Member Albania 543 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2002 : 10:13:16 quote: I finally got the game pack to install, but they wouldn't run. So, I reinstalled them set to use the standard 'dows graphics, as there is no physical graphics card, and I don't think the Soft'dows can link to the video card being used by the Quadra. Rebooted SW, tried running it again, still no go. I dont know whether it's a problem with the Emu or the game itself...I'll try installing something else and see if it works. This novelty is quickly becoming a headache. "headache" is one of the ...subtler variations ...... of terminology ... for Win ...... "novelty", is one i've never actually run across ...... interesting woed choice. try running both the win and game emu's in native 640x480x?bit VGA, that may be less confusing to all the hdwr/code involved. jt2 <8-}
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2002 : 10:26:05 quote: What apps (not cheesy games) can you run on something that only emulates a 286, anyway? That's what I'd like to know! I'm going to download anything I can find on Tucows and elsewhere (which isn't much) to see what works and what doesn't. quote: try running both the win and game emu's in native 640x480x?bit VGA, that may be less confusing to all the hdwr/code involved. Ah, hadn't thought of that. The 800x600 desktop might be too big for it. It is already set to 8-bit color, though, and there's actually no option to set it any higher, even though the Quadra is displaying in 24-bit. 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site!
alcoa Full Member Albania 543 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2002 : 10:50:36 quote: What apps (not cheesy games) can you run on something that only emulates a 286, anyway? now i'm gonna have to find the box of pc floppies, has anybody seen a hack to run a 360k 5.25" IBM floppy drive on a mac? I've got a DOS emu that I used to run on my PB100 ... in a box ..... somewhere ........... jt2 <8-}
skamen Drunken Sailor USA 48 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2002 : 14:10:43 The emulator seems to run Commander Keen (check it out at www.3drealms.com/keen1 and www.3drealms.com/keen ) perfectly on my iBook. This emulator is quite cool. There are many good old DOS games. I used to play Commander Keen all the time. The only problem I've had is that I've tried to play Apogee's Raptor but I get an error. I think the problem is that as you said this program only emulates a 286 and I think that Raptor requires a 386 and recommends a 486. I haven't touched Win 3.1 (it is a sorry excuse for GUI). I've just been using DOS and playing DOS games. -Scott 68k Macintosh Liberation Army skamen- Lieutenant Commander Total 68k Macs Liberated: 3
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2002 : 14:20:15 I'm actually not sure that it emuing a 286, I have to check the documentation, but I think it's acting at least as a 386. 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site!
Wonkothesane Full Member USA 506 Posts	Posted - 10 Feb 2002 : 21:33:21 quote: I'm actually not sure that it emuing a 286, I have to check the documentation, but I think it's acting at least as a 386. According to the sixth edition of the Mac Bible, Softwindows for 68ks emulates a 286. This may be a later version, though. Wonko The Sane Engineer-in-training 3 Macs Liberated "You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool."- Wonko The Sane
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2002 : 09:34:53 Yeah, you're right, it's a 286. I checked the docu! 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site!
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2002 : 10:06:46 quote: Yeah, you're right, it's a 286. I checked the docu! yeah, the shift to virtual memory capability ain't easy in native mode on any platform, in emulation, fuggetaboudit! couldn't find my arcade disk, is yours working? found 68000 harrier strike mission 2, got that one on hlsvr already? supposedly one of first flight sims. dunno jt
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2002 : 10:34:22 I think the only purpose of this EMU is to show you just how bad the Windows world can be...there's really not a lot of functionality to it. I've tried installing numerous little Win 3.1 apps and none of them work. Of course it's probably the fact that it's only a 286 EMU. 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site!
Wonkothesane Full Member USA 506 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2002 : 18:04:02 Try some apps from here. As the name implies, the apps are very lightweight and will probably run on a 286. Wonko The Sane Engineer-in-training 3 Macs Liberated "You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool."- Wonko The Sane
AppleCore Starting Member Canada 21 Posts	Posted - 12 Feb 2002 : 17:52:03 Don't know about you people, but I personally found Windoze 3.1 more useful than Win95>, at least 3.1 rarely crashed, though regardless, I hate all versions of Windows. No. of Macs Liberated: 1 No. of Macs: 3 No. of PCs Scrapped: 2 <END OF TRANSMISSION>
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 13 Feb 2002 : 13:17:08 Even finding 16-bit Windoze apps on Tinyapps is a chore, however I did try 5 downloads of what seemed like they'd be handy. Only one of them worked, PicView, a graphics interchange app. Three were not even recognized as executables, and the fourth caused an illegal operation that crashed SoftWindows. Fortunately, I was able to force-quit and get back to the 8.1 desktop without issue. <sigh> 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site!
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 13 Feb 2002 : 13:58:23 quote: Even finding 16-bit Windoze apps on Tinyapps is a chore, however I did try 5 downloads of what seemed like they'd be handy. Only one of them worked, PicView, a graphics interchange app. hey cine', I've got msworks for dos,it's pretty cool actually. Also for win, but i'm sure it's too current, same for clarisworks for win, probably requires a 386, dunno offhand. I've got visual basic 1.0 and an unopened box of tool something or other (another old dev. package.) corel 3.2 maybe, I forget the rev, but i think it ran under win286. maybe framework for dos, most of it's on 360k/5.25's so it'll be a huge pain, but I'll look around. design cad & generic cad for dos may be kickin around too, sorry this is gettin a little like stream of consciousness bs. none2coherentibet jt just thought of lotus improv, was cool spreadsheet, kind of a precursor to spreadbase which died in development. not sure what else or even if the floppies are still good. let me know if something is a "just gotta have it" and i'll see what i can do.
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 13 Feb 2002 : 14:39:48 To be frank, nothing DOS/Win is "gotta have it" It's still just a novelty to me, to see what it can and cannot do (though for the most part the latter seems to be where it shines). To think, I could get more work done on my Color Classic as-is (pre-Mystic upgrade), and it would be more worthwhile to the cause! 666th poster to the 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 Visit my site!

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