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cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 22 Aug 2003 : 06:30:22 The SGi Tezro, http://www.sgi.com/workstations/tezro/ has an amazing name, and an even MORE amazing name... This makes me want to get an SGI still... I know I won't have to abandon apple, because they haven't gone intel... but I have to get an SGI anyway (maybe not a tezro just yet ) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 22 Aug 2003 : 07:44:01 I wouldnt mind a real old SGI to play with, but the new ones are expensive soon to be dinasaurs
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 22 Aug 2003 : 07:52:07 SGIs are fun. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 22 Aug 2003 : 10:40:30 Have you played with one ML5? I want to get an Indigo, or even better, and bigger a Crimson! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 22 Aug 2003 : 14:14:31 I once was going to buy one on eBay for about 50 dollars. It came with everything I need.
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 22 Aug 2003 : 14:54:35 quote: Have you played with one ML5? I want to get an Indigo, or even better, and bigger a Crimson! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" Yeah, once. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 22 Aug 2003 : 18:07:11 :drool: I was going to buy a used, semi-working indigo once... that was several months ago... before I had the blue/white :-\ Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Kady Mae Junior Member USA 261 Posts	Posted - 23 Aug 2003 : 10:25:13 If you troll through government surplus auctions and/or evilBay, you can find older SGI systems to play with. But for the fact that I have no room right now, (SAF is never an issue.) I'd like to have an SGI box to play with. I have no real use for it, as I've no plans to do anything I need 64bit intensive images for, and half the apps I'd want to play with aren't out for IRIX, but damn, if it wouldn't be nice to have a dual proc octane because the case shape is just sooo freaking coool. 68K's liberated: 4 68Ks adopted to loving homes: 2 PowerMacs adopted to loving homes: 2
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 23 Aug 2003 : 11:10:49 lol! I believe that one of the ones I've wanted, was the Indigo, and the o2... I love the way that O2 looks.. *(blue, very curvaceous, with AV ports on one side) I also like the octane, the fuel and other things... I sometimes wonder if the older SGI's are 64bit... because dualieproc or not, that would be an interesting thing to try out... /me ponders the use of an SGI with a projector... now THAT would make Cory DROOL woudln't it? Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
~tl Junior Member United Kingdom 312 Posts	Posted - 23 Aug 2003 : 15:46:50 hmm yeah i remember an old mac magazine i had that had a SGI section to it .... mmm i spent so long drooling over thos specs Orcadian MLA Division 68ks Liberated: 2
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 23 Aug 2003 : 18:08:15 I remember seeing an IRIX machine in an old MacWorld, an issue about server solutions twas fun to read... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Kady Mae Junior Member USA 261 Posts	Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 12:40:20 I sometimes wonder if the older SGI's are 64bit... because dualieproc or not, that would be an interesting thing to try out...>>> I believe that IRIX has been 64 bit from the get go -- I could be wrong. But I know that that's how SGI made its money. If you needed something requiring 64bit graphics processing, they were pretty much the only game in town. 68K's liberated: 4 68Ks adopted to loving homes: 2 PowerMacs adopted to loving homes: 2
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 13:46:47 Whats better an old sun box or an old SGI box of the same vintage?
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 15:32:27 An Apple 1? "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 18:43:32 An SGI box definitely... I wonder what'll happen to SGI now that we have the G5, and 64bit X86 based boxen aren't far behind Im sure... :sniffles: Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Kady Mae Junior Member USA 261 Posts	Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 19:53:20 Yeah, SGI is about to see some serious competition in its neck of the woods from Apple. As soon as Apple compiles OS X 64 bit native and then releases a 64 bit version of Shake, SGI can kiss it's "low end" section good bye ... unless they decide to drop prices on the Fuels and O2s down to meet G5 prices. The Tezro's, since you can get a 4 proc model of them, are a step above the G5 You know their computers are expensive when they tell you to CALL for prices. 68K's liberated: 4 68Ks adopted to loving homes: 2 PowerMacs adopted to loving homes: 2
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 20:19:19 lol... yeah, actually the press release said that the Tezro "SGI's cheapest option" starts at $20,500 USD OUCHIES Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 24 Aug 2003 : 21:13:24 What does that $20K machine offer that a PC on steroids cant do? It used to be that cad cards were major bucks untill the Nvidia and ATI cards with muscle came out, now that PC's can crunch major numbers whats left for SGI?
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 25 Aug 2003 : 18:49:20 Quad 64bit processors.... 16+ GB of RAM beautiful industrial design... a cheap OS that's easy to use and UNIX based, and that's free (with the computer) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Alien Junior Member Netherlands 269 Posts	Posted - 26 Aug 2003 : 01:18:48 You do realise that the most important bit is that they brought back the old logo? I have four SGI's, and they rock. Period. ,xtG .tsooJ -- who \| grep -i blonde \| date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep Edited by - Alien on 26 Aug 2003 10:01:46
Fedorenko Junior Member Australia 463 Posts	Posted - 26 Aug 2003 : 02:25:27 quote: a cheap OS that's easy to use and UNIX based, and that's free (with the computer) You would bloody hope so considering you are paying 20 000 dollars for it. To the question about why a PC coudlnt do it. Plenty of things, and the things the PC could do, it would take 50 years to finish, in what the SGI could do in a few days, if that. Good ideas usually are created by crazy people, go figure...
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 Aug 2003 : 05:45:35 50 years is a LOONG time to wait for your computer to get done doing something... $20,500 is a good price, IMHO for the difference between completing a complex rendering task in 50 days, and 50 hours. They brought back the old logo? coolness... I'll have to look one odf these days. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Kady Mae Junior Member USA 261 Posts	Posted - 26 Aug 2003 : 12:10:00 quote: What does that $20K machine offer that a PC on steroids cant do? Nothing except sheer, raw, speed and lower wattage & operating temp. SGI machines are built for speed and have been 64 bits since the mid 90's at least. They can crunch huge numbers better than a PC or Mac and they can hold these huge numbers in their massive amounts of ram. The motherboard, ram, and processors do not have the same kinds of bottle necks that choke PCs and Macs. The memory bandwith on a 2002 Fuel workstation is 3.2gig/sec. The graphics bandwith is 1.2 gig/sec. This is not "up to" theoretical modeling. These were industry leading numbers back in 2002. You can do what a SGI machine does on your PC/Mac. But not with the insane speed that an SGI can do it. On OS news, Eugenia L-Q pointed out that the graphics crunching power of a 7 year old dual 195 Octane blew her much newer machines out of the water. Which is why SGIs are used in high end FX, weather forcasting, geological modeling, medical imaging and diagnostics, and essentially had that market locked up. Now, consider the fact that Apple has just put a more insanely fast machine on the market for $3000. And in about 9 months they'll have the 64 bit software to completely take advantage of the 6.4 gig/sec memory bus, 2.1 gig/sec graphics bandwith and the insane 8gig/sec proc bandwith. A FX house can buy A dual G5 (maxxed ram), and Shake, and FCP, and a 23" LCD and still have money left for under the cost of a Terzo. 68K's liberated: 4 68Ks adopted to loving homes: 2 PowerMacs adopted to loving homes: 2
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 Aug 2003 : 18:05:13 Exactly... We must all fear for the life of SGI, because the longer they stay around, the longer this workstation's in production, the better chance any of us will be to have one of them later... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 27 Aug 2003 : 15:02:46 Last time I played with an SGI it was in Impact 10,000 back in '97 or '98 when I was first learning Unix commands. That Tezro looks bad ass! 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Lord of the Mac II Series Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 http://www.cinemafia.net/forums
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 27 Aug 2003 : 18:33:29 I KNOW! It's got an out of this world name as well... I've made a game of saying the name wrong... some of my favorite wrong ways to say it, are Texaco, Tecmo and Tezmo. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
q950 Junior Member USA 135 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2003 : 13:48:33 quote: We must all fear for the life of SGI, because the longer they stay around, the longer this workstation's in production, the better chance any of us will be to have one of them later... I have been thinking about that for a while now. Just think about all of the software that apple has been producing lately. Safari, Xcode, Shake, FCP,..... What about those companies that made competitors to those programs before apple came and started hogging the market? Microsoft says it wont make IE 6 for mac, Adobe is canning plans to make another Premier, you can imagine Metrowerks saying it is stopping development of Codewarrior. I kind of think that apple is hurting its developers by undercutting their work by trying to replace its developers products. Its great now, we get a lot of stuff free or cheap, but later, when we need the features of another guy's product, it isnt there anymore. I dont think SGI is going anywhere soom, but some mac developers might be. Logan Quadra 950, Workgroup Server 9150, Performa 6400, Powerbook 2300c, 4x Quadra 700's, iBook
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2003 : 16:19:05 I agree. When you think about it, Apple really is getting more and more Microsoftish. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Alien Junior Member Netherlands 269 Posts	Posted - 29 Aug 2003 : 01:13:16 quote: I have been thinking about that for a while now. Just think about all of the software that apple has been producing lately. Safari, Xcode, Shake, FCP,..... What about those companies that made competitors to those programs before apple came and started hogging the market? Microsoft says it wont make IE 6 for mac, Adobe is canning plans to make another Premier, you can imagine Metrowerks saying it is stopping development of Codewarrior. I kind of think that apple is hurting its developers by undercutting their work by trying to replace its developers products. Its great now, we get a lot of stuff free or cheap, but later, when we need the features of another guy's product, it isnt there anymore. I dont think SGI is going anywhere soom, but some mac developers might be. You have a point with Safari, since it's free and comes with every computer and OS package Apple sells. As for Shake and Final Cut, they are expensive programs, I would expect anyone buying them to do some research before buying the package they want. If the Adobe equivalents are losing that battle, they'll need to improve their product. As for Xcode, Apple can't afford to rely on a third party to provide a Mac OS X development environment. It is also in Apple's interest (not to say it is of vital importance) that said environment is available free to anyone and everyone who wants to try their hand at Mac development. I doubt CodeWarrior is going anywhere fast, since it is owned by Motorola, and they have a similar interest as Apple in there being a development environment available for their products. MetroWerks CodeWarrior saved Apple's butt in the days of the PowerPC transition, but Apple should never take a risk like that again. ,xtG .tsooJ -- who \| grep -i blonde \| date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 29 Aug 2003 : 10:32:10 MS stopped making IE for mac, because theyre completely integrafing it with Windows, theyre not going to make any non-integrated versions at all... so "yeah" Shake, FCP, and Xcode ALL existed before, but Xcode was called "Apple Developer tools [insert date here]" and Shake,IIRC was owned by a different company... CodeWarrior and other MetroWerkz products can be used to make PowerPC binary code, rather than just Mac OS X binaries... because IIRC, Apple compiled OS9 in CodeWarrior, not sure about OSX though, but GCC isn't just PowerPC, and may not have all the optimisations of CodeWarrior. I wouldn't be surprised if IBM comes out with some kind of lower-level development system for the G5's, seeing as how theyre the only maker as of yet. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"

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