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The Balance Of Judgement
Senior Member


Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 31 Jul 2003 :  15:34:38
I know alot of people are eager to be able to download older software. I know that lots of you know I have tonnes of it.

And so herein lies a small dilemna. So, to solve this here is how it's going to work. I am creating a new archive which will be offered on a file sharing system known as "Bit Torrent". Every so often I will release a new CD this way. Each CD will be a Toast image, and when burned properly, will mount in Mac OS as a normal Mac CD.

I'm not going to have archives as single file downloads any longer because It's harder to keep track of all the small files and it's much easier and more interesting for people to have a full CD they can pop in. I realize this will put some people out of a way to get the archives, but I am now on a differet ADSL account which is for hosting business items, just like Da Penguin is hosting things. I now pay $100.00 a month for my account which has all the extra features I need.

I realize not everyone has money or extra parts to spare, and those that have sent me items I do thank you very much for your help, as it will help me to spread the new archives and keep them together. But Hosting a major download Mecca where you gets hundreds of hits a day to just download things isn't a cheap thing.

In all, I have access to over 80GB of abandonware archives from multiple platforms, and at this point, it would be suicide even to just make the Mac section alone available, since what would happen is people would flock to my server and effectively shut it down due to the sheer amount of requests, plus the larger it grew, it would eventually attract the Legal Lawyers from various companies as it's popularity grew. Releasing a few CD's on a semi-private/public network is much easier and safer.

If you need software, you can sign up for the "iNeed" mailing list, but I would offer a suggestion/warning not to spam or overload the list with messages looking for software knowing I am on the list because most likely I won't be responding to every request as I won't have time to all the time.

I won't be offering any more CD's of archives, since soon the CD Images will be full available online. If you want CD Images, perhaps you can arrange a deal with another person who can make them for you.

The first CD of the Lunai Archives is almost complete and will be placed online shortly. Bit Torrent will run o Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. If you have Mac OS Classic, it might be possible to run it, but you will need to install Python for Mac OS.

I will post further information when the file is posted.

Have fun everyone, I sure did.


apple
Starting Member



8 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  00:53:41
Hi,The Balance Of Judgement,nice to see you again here!
I know you like old mac too! So glad that you will share the old
softwarez! Thank you!
BTW,why did "MAC bittorrent" close? Do you know the reason?
The URL didn't work :-(
hxxp://bittorrent.kicks-ass.net

I think the best way to share is using Bittorrent! Right?
Cheers!

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The Balance Of Judgement
Senior Member


Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  01:30:11
http://www.torrentlinks.com

That page will maintain updated links.

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macclassic
Starting Member


USA
10 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  01:39:04
First off, you've just eliminated *every* dial-up user from getting anything. I'm on a dial-up as are most in the United States and elsewhere, and downloading a full CD-image isn't happening.

Second, you sound like a child who threatens to take home the marbles if you can't dictate to everyone else what to do. I believe it was you, in another post, who complained that when you put up an archive that

***GASP***

PEOPLE ACTUALLY WERE DOWNLOADING!!!!! OH NO!!

Furthermore, it seems there are two distinct types of people who are 68k fans.

1. Those who are very generous and will go out of their way to help or to send you a file/files. A mere thank you is all they ask, if that. And when they don't get a thank you, they shrug it off, and move on to help the next person :) The 68k "scene'" is like a tight knit family.

2. Those that think they're entitled to something for their "help." Those whiny shits who think that people should *PAY* them for access to the server of 68k software that most people couldn't give a damn about. "Oh it's so expensive. My pecker is small. Send me money and hardware...."

C'mon, get real.

I'd like to point out someone of what we'll call Type 1. Laxx. He runs a GREAT hotline server with every software title you'd ever care to have. No mandatory uploads. He doesn't ask for money or hardware or whine, simply states that people post messages and help others. Pretty simple. And effective. I upload when I can. I download when I need to. I post regularly. It's a nice community of NON-WHINERS who help others out of the goodness of their heart. And it works well that way! He wins and we (the users) win.

On the opposite hand, there are those who operate hotline servers that want people to pay for an account or upload a ton. I'm not uploading one single byte of data to a place like that. Period. And there's a ton out there who won't either.

Take a look around. When you help others, you help yourself. We all win :)

my rant for the day.... :)

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apple
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8 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  01:42:31
quote:

http://www.torrentlinks.com

That page will maintain updated links.




Thank you! :-)

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The Balance Of Judgement
Senior Member


Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  07:39:07
Quote: "Second, you sound like a child who threatens to take home the marbles if you can't dictate to everyone else what to do. I believe it was you, in another post, who complained that when you put up an archive that."

I'm going to take it easy since you're seemingly new (?) here. I resent that statement, as I have over the time I have been here where possible run servers. Ask most folks here, and they will tell you I have been trying in one form or another been offering archives for quite some time. I estimate over the course of all my servers I have uploaded to others in one form or another over 100GB of data in the form of FTP, KDX, Hotline or HTTP.

Yes, I started a thread where I complained about leechers, but I made it a point to note that I appreciate when folks at least say thank you after they download items.

Quote: "2. Those that think they're entitled to something for their "help." Those whiny shits who think that people should *PAY* them for access to the server of 68k software that most people couldn't give a damn about. "Oh it's so expensive. My pecker is small. Send me money and hardware...."

I'll assume you are generalizing and not trying to call me any of this etc., etc. What is it with people? Do they think money grows on trees? That machines and equipment and internet somehow are free? Sure, I can try and make do with what I have, but if you go to lots of servers they have kind requests that if you have hardware or money to spare you could help out. It's life, things cost money. I'm not trying to charge for my archives, never have. The only time folks have sent money is if they want something on CD and mailed to them. I don't consider myself a whiner.

Sure, it's a rant. But you don't seem to grasp that I am trying to the best I can. I have a life, I have responsibilities, I have bills, I have everything a grown adult has. Sometimes it's just not possible to bend over backwards for everyone.

Anyways, I'm stopping here before I get any madder cause that post really hurt me. I mean, I offered my collection to folks all over the world. So, if any of the members that I know who know what I have done, can you please tell me am I taking this wrong? Please post your opinions?

BoJ

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thequietman
Junior Member


Canada
127 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  08:46:18
I used to run a small (free) hotline server for 68k software. I had an 1.5 Mbps ADSL connection with unlimited bandwidth ($40 CAD)/month), and I was gone for most of the day anyway, so I started up the server on my own personal computer before I left for work and let it run all day. I had unlimited bandwidth at the time so it didn't cost me anything, and I had a fast computer with a big hard drive just sitting there all day. I figured the least I could do was make it available for someone else to use.

Perhaps it's different for you, maybe you can't get unlimited bandwidth, maybe you spend all your time on your computer and need extra hardware for a dedicated server. I can understand that, and it's not cheap. Things do cost money and most of the time it's your own money. I think anyone who complains about the speed of a server or gets upset when it's not up 24/7 should try running one. It takes a lot of time and work. Files don't organize themselves, servers do go down for maintenance, maybe the owner needs it for something else. The thing is, beggars can't be choosers. If you aren't paying X dollars a month for download access then you can't complain about anything the owner decides to do. Just be glad that some people are willing to make this old stuff available.


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wisof
Junior Member


USA
257 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  09:03:49
I have a lot of respect to the BOJ because he created an application to run on PCs which aids 68kers. This application makes a boot disk for a mac in a pc floppy drive. Simply amazing stuff, to me!

macclassic, have you ever run a server? I think it would be tough on a dial-up connection, so I am assuming you haven't. Try it, and then get back to us with your story. Until you contribute something to the community, you are a leecher. I was too, until I started getting some stuff people needed. I contributed to a server, and now I have access all the time. It was not too hard, just had to find something I and the server admin wanted.

things in life are, unfortunately not free, but you do not need money to get them. Just kindness, some intuitiveness (to find files), and a little luck.


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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms


USA
4679 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  09:41:22
HEY! if you can't download a CD image over dialup, too bad... find somewhere else to download what you want.

I just downloaded [608MB cd image from a hotline server] and I'm happy, it took me 2 weeks with my limited onlime time, but I made it work... why can't you?

BitTorrent is a great system, it's fast and allows for you to continue your downloads...

I can't think of a better system, it ensures minimal downloads (if you know what CDs you've downloaded, you can just download them all and have them...) and I prefer to keep things on CD...

I believe what he's trying to do is eliminate the need to download things twice and/or downloading a hundred itty bitty files.

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geekwurkz
Junior Member


USA
156 Posts
Posted - 04 Aug 2003 :  01:48:05
Ya know... as annoying as it is to have to leave the PC on overnight to get some of the stuff I need, I don't find it to be impossible. Considering the price of unlimited internet access ($10 mo. from juno) it's not too hard to get it downloaded with a $30 56k modem either. That's forty dollars MAX for access to a load of CDs once BoJ gets them up. And, best of all, if you don't want U/L service after that, cancel and continue using AOL, MSN, or whatever your local provider is. But, that's just me. Anyways, I have U/L access from MSN for $20 mo. (fixed rate from 1999)

Nick

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The Balance Of Judgement
Senior Member


Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 04 Aug 2003 :  06:45:24
Yah, I have 2 cd's data ready, but I just have to finalize the other aspects of the sorting.

When I have the huge 9GB drives hooked up I can sort everything out. I am going to make a big cool release like how HackUser had thier application you could read through. So the cd will have a huge splash screen on it plus a little application that lists each program on the disc.

:)

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