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The Lightning Stalker
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USA
747 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  19:32:08
I was over at the local scrapyard today and they had a bunch of metalarc, murcury vapor and sodium vapor light fixtures someone had dropped off. Most were broken, but one of the 1000 W fixtures was salvagable. The tempered glass window was busted out from manhandling as were the mounting supports for the ballast transformer, but all the parts were there and the enclosure was in one piece. I figured it would be great for the 1000 watt metalarc bulb I picked up at a garage sale a while back.

It weighed in at a whopping 50lbs and cost $10 and some change ($0.20/lb) but I got it home in my little Honda Civic.

Right now I've got the ballast xfrmr out and am JB Welding the supports back in. There was some gravel and dust from the scrapyard in there too that I had to vacuum out. The reflector shield is a little bent up, but it's in pretty good shape, too.

The only problems I can forsee with this thing are that it's rated at 480 volts and it's kind of ungangly. It will make a hell of a shop light, though. I do have a step-up transformer that can take 120 or 240V, but I think the secondary is 360V or something, which is leaving me shy of the 480V.

It kind of looks like a tomb or something. Just a box with a pipe comeing out of one end with 3 bolts you tighten onto another pipe the first one fits over. I guess I can post some pictures if anyone wants some.

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Unknown_K
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USA
602 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  19:38:14
Normal home lighting doesnt work for you?

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q950
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USA
135 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  19:47:52
Get a hold of one of these babies, it'll do the trick. I took this picture in the museum of science and industry in chicago.
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jupiterheights/bigbulb01.JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jupiterheights/bigbulb02.JPG
Can you imagine, 100,000 watts, and at 120 volts too. No transformer required! Give your lamp a try at 360 volts, I knew a guy that could light up some 277 volt 3 phase flourescent bulbs with single phase 240 volts, so maybe it will work for you.

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maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  19:53:40
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The Lightning Stalker
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USA
747 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  20:04:37
Nice link, Logan!!

If it's 100,000 watts at 115 volts, that means it draws about 870 amps! This is making welding cable look thin!

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Unknown_K
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USA
602 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  20:10:51
At a job I worked at in the late 90's we used something like 60,000 watts worth of T3 bulbs at 480V 3 phase in an R&D project. The light was so intense that you could see very well with welding glasses on. The bulbs were crammed inside a 1' quarts tube where ultrapure water was passed through on the outside (made into a heater).

For a joke one guy stood between the element and a 5000 gallon water tank and his outline was projected through the tank to the back of the plant making a nice 20'+ outline.

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QuadraJets
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USA
344 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  20:16:55
I have a 480 volt 3 phase ballast from a street light out in my garage. It works and all, but all I can use it for is a doorstop. It also has wiring schematics to make it work at 240 and 120 volts.

I did connect the secondaries to 30vdc 20A once, and it acted as a huge electromagnet. It attracted everything magnetic on my workbench within 3 feet of it

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  20:47:28
I'm sorry... but this doesn't make sense to me... using a light bulb that uses more power than my 7300 does? (150 watts)

I was surprised to learn that our power company offers "dusk till dawn lights" for about $5/month... in 200, 150 and 100 watt configurations...

My TiBook uses about 40-60 watts, the iMac uses 80 watts without monitor, my MultiScan 15 uses 95 watts max, and a blue/white G3 uses about 200 If I remember correctly (I'll find out when I have mine)

what are you using these lights for?

ohwell... weirdness...

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The Lightning Stalker
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USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  20:50:58
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something like 60,000 watts worth of T3 bulbs at 480V 3 phase

Mmm, interesting. So the point was to heat the water? What did you use as a ballast?Go to Top of Page
The Lightning Stalker
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USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  20:56:51
Yeah. The ballast from this thing would make a pretty good door stop, too. It's gotta be pretty big to handle that 1000 watts.Go to Top of Page
maclover5
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Australia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  22:40:43
What a power supply...

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Unknown_K
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USA
602 Posts
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 :  00:57:35
quote:

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something like 60,000 watts worth of T3 bulbs at 480V 3 phase

Mmm, interesting. So the point was to heat the water? What did you use as a ballast?

It was a screwed up project from the powers that ran the place, I had a better idea they went with later.

Anyway the place I worked at made among other things ultrapure deionized water heaters for the semiconductor market. All the water used to rinse the wafers had to be heated.

A standard 52kw heater went for $30,000 and we had companies that wanted the whole fluid path made of ultrapure quartz and would pay 2-3x our standard model for it (at the time before the tech bubble burst).

So I said lets go infrared heating and got stuck making a T3 buld (very bright white light) go into the ifrared area that would pass through quarts and transfer energy to a wavelength easily absorbed by water.

As far as a ballast we used solid state relays to turn the sucker on and off. It heated ok but having a shitload of bulbs that burn out randomly wasnt something you can use in that market.

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The Lightning Stalker
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USA
747 Posts
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 :  18:41:02
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I had a better idea they went with later.

Yeah. Florescent bulbs are probably the worst way to heat anything because they're designed not to put out much heat.

The JB Weld cured overnight and I got the magnetic ballast and everything all back together. I also got the step-up transformer out of the storage shed, and yeah, it only goes up to 380V. but maybe I'll give her a try. There's also a 95V winding that I can try to put the 120V wall current onto to give it a little more oomph, but it probably will still be short of the true 480V. I guess I should start looking in commercial air conditioners again. Maybe tomorrow I'll try and fire her up.Go to Top of Page

The Lightning Stalker
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USA
747 Posts
Posted - 30 Jul 2003 :  16:56:37
Well, I fired her up today and it works! I did it in the afternoon, so it wasn't really spectacular, but it was very bright!

I hooked up the 120V line to the 95V winding on the transformer and the secondary read over 480 volts on the multimeter. I hooked this up to the light and ran it about 2 minutes. Long enough for the lamp to warm up some. At that point I put my ear near the transformer and heard the telltale popping due to thermal expansion. I promptly shut everything down. Then I put my hand on the transformer windings and they were hot! I think the transformer is still okay, but I'm not going to try that again! I also tried running it on the 360V, but there was just a thin arc in the arc tube and it wouldn't stay lit.

Also, I looked on the tag on the inside and it says it takes either the HPS/S52 or S52/BD bulb which could be a high-pressure sodium. I'll check to see if this is true and if it's interchangable with my metalarc bulb and keep you posted.Go to Top of Page

maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts
Posted - 30 Jul 2003 :  16:58:32
Wow..take piccies!

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Posted - 30 Jul 2003 :  18:07:02
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The Lightning Stalker
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Posted - 31 Jul 2003 :  19:03:24
Piccies here:
www.geocities.com/lgtngstk/Piccies

There'll be 3 when I finish uploading.

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maclover5
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5830 Posts
Posted - 31 Jul 2003 :  23:45:49
Wow...I see the light!

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Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  00:41:19
Nothing at that address


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macclassic
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USA
10 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  01:13:16
Congrats on your light :)

And certainly not to burst your bubble... I'm a avid indoor gardener and 1,000 watt grow-lights aren't uncommon.

http://www.hydrofarm.com/content/growlights.html

Here's some marketed by HydroFarm - a major Hydroponic equipment company. And some really nice lights :) See the Super Grow series. You can also get them in High Pressure Sodium & Metal Hallide configurations.

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Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  10:20:55
even though, obviously it was something we haven't seen before...

I do understand that there IS 1000 watt lightbulbs... but I would never run a lightbulb that takes more power than my computer... it just doesn't make sense to me...

it's just like me running 10.1 server on my 7300, it's possible, it does exist but I haven't seen it too often before... so it's something new and amazing to me... (I'd think)

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Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  15:35:13
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Nothing at that address

try http://www.geocities.com/lgtngstk/Piccies

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The Lightning Stalker
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USA
747 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  16:55:31
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I'm a avid indoor gardener

Hmm. What do yo grow
quote:
1,000 watt grow-lights aren't uncommon.

I never said they were uncommon or that nobody had ever seen them before. It's just not something the average person would have lying around - kinda like a souped-up LC III server.
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I would never run a lightbulb that takes more power than my computer...

According to AppleSpec, a 7300 runs at 150W max. But that's probably with the hard drive thrashing and the processor at 100%. You turn on 2 100W table lamps and already be more than a 7300. Most people's bedroom lights have 2 75W incandescent bulbs. So that's 150W.
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Nothing at that address

Sorry about that. It's fixed now. I enclosed the link with [url /url] and it borked the 68kmla URL in there and screwed it up. I won't do that again! bah, bah I say to this forum software!

There's also a third picture that's comeing that didn't upload for some reason.

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catsdorule
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Canada
1627 Posts
Posted - 01 Aug 2003 :  17:10:12
This is no indoor light bulb! but this on your roof and only turn it on at night .

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Clinton
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USA
700 Posts
Posted - 02 Aug 2003 :  09:58:31
well, that is most interesting.

I worked with something like that when I was working stage crew. We were throwing trusses, robolights, scanners, and about six hundred par64 lamps up round the stage, (not to mention about a million miles of DMX cable) and I came across several of those kind of things kicking round the third electric drop. We ripped em out, and threw em in the stage room, and that was the last I saw of them. I think that they were cyclights or summat like that.

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The Lightning Stalker
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USA
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Posted - 02 Aug 2003 :  20:27:28
Cool! I'm going to go back to the scrapyard asap to grab up the high pressure sodium bulb if it's still there. That's the bulb that's supposed to go in there.Go to Top of Page
   

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