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q950 Junior Member USA 135 Posts	Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 18:02:55 Just scored one from ebay for 35 bucks, pretty sweet because it looks like it has never been used, no yellowing at all, no nicks, nothing. Still has the keys and the DAT drive, which I think is pretty cool. Anybody know what kind of tape that thing uses and where I can get a couple of tapes for it, and what the specs are on it? I think it is 2GB native/4GB compressed. They also took the elusive 5 drive shelf <doh!>, now I will have to wedge them in there with some foam and some duct tape. I am gonna use this baby for my video editing machine with my Radius Telecast. Its going to make for a real hell of a vintage Macintosh. Not exactly a 68K but close, and it is the replacement for my Quadra 950 which was acting flaky with the telecast. I was going to buy one from shreve but they wanted to rip me off at 100 bucks, no memory and no DAT drive. Logan Edited by - maclover5 on 26 Jul 2003 18:29:06
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 18:29:30 Very nice! But since its not a 68k, I had to move it to the Lounge. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 20:19:54 heh... yeah... I don't know what a telecaster is though... for tapes, check eBay, see if the major media companies like maxell and the others make compatible tapes, and see if there's websites that might still sell them or something... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" I have alot of posts... if you don't like it than I don't know what to say.
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 20:29:03 Google is thy friend. Google is thy enemy. Google is everything you ever wanted and a few you never dreamed or cared. Google is everything.
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 20:42:41 I think dds-1 dat spec is 2gb normal/4gb compressed I have 2 dds-2 dat drives that do 4gb/8gb on 120meter tapes. I use the internal on a PC server and the external on my 840av also take note: Never run a 7100, 8100, 8150, or 9150 without a PDS video card or a PDS terminator. This can damage the motherboard. If the video card goes bad, you can replace it with another video card or use motherboard video after installing a PDS accelerator or "Apple Terminator, PDS, WGS 81XX." Apple TIL 15354, feedback from Mac Managers list, and personal experience. from http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/9150.html Edited by - Unknown_K on 26 Jul 2003 21:00:50
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 21:20:56 thank you, BoJ, for that wonderful revelation... You might consider that if it's a standard, and it's old, it'll be relatively easy to find I'd think... dunno though... (for finding DAT cartriges) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" I have alot of posts... if you don't like it than I don't know what to say.
redrouteone Junior Member USA 226 Posts	Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 22:12:32 Unknown if it is DDS1 I may have some tapes for it. I would be happy to let you have them for shipping. I'll try and find them so I can verify that. --edit found them I have 5 new DDS1 tapes. 3 used DDS1 tapes and 8 used DDS2 tapes. I also have a DDS cleaning tape. If you want them shoot me an email. --Eric ___________________________ Have you seen my mojo? Edited by - redrouteone on 26 Jul 2003 22:19:30
q950 Junior Member USA 135 Posts	Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 08:30:47 Ok, this has been pretty helpful. What I am still in the dark about is what software do I have to have to use the tape drive and where can I get it, maybe for cheap or free too. And dont worry, I have got the PDS terminater in there, so no smoke is coming from it yet unknown_k. The only upgrade I have seen for the 9150 is a G3 proc card, what other little goodies can I stuff into the PDS slot? Is there a Video input card? If I put a G3 in there, could I run OS X? Logan
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 13:13:14 nope, 9150 is NuBus and OSX needs PCI macs... and even then it doesn't work with ALL PCI macs as far as I know... good luck with software... Dantz Retrospect __._ or whatever version should do ya fine... it's what was included with the AWGS 68ks I believe... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" I have alot of posts... if you don't like it than I don't know what to say.
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 13:29:15 quote: Unknown if it is DDS1 I may have some tapes for it. I would be happy to let you have them for shipping. I'll try and find them so I can verify that. --edit found them I have 5 new DDS1 tapes. 3 used DDS1 tapes and 8 used DDS2 tapes. I also have a DDS cleaning tape. If you want them shoot me an email. --Eric ___________________________ Have you seen my mojo? Edited by - redrouteone on 26 Jul 2003 22:19:30 I can use the dds-2 tapes (especially the tape cleaner dont have one) My email is teoz@neo.rr.com or powermac@neo.rr.com Email me and I will send you my address info Edited by - Unknown_K on 27 Jul 2003 13:32:22
q950 Junior Member USA 135 Posts	Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 17:39:09 I already claimed and paid for the tapes, I send you an email about giving you some once they get to me though. I dont think I am going to need 8 tapes. Logan
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 17:58:40 I will look into my archives, I may have some tape software stuck away somewhere.
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 20:34:56 I have retrospect around somewhere (thats what I used on my 840av) I will try to find it. Q950 you should get a hold of a cheap dds-2 drive on ebay if you want to double your storage space. I purchased 10 dds2 tapes a while ago on ebay for $10 (good deal for unused in shrink wrap brand name tapes) I think but I quickly stuff them full of old mac software or PC data.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 21:08:30 yeah... I need to think of backup medium for my server... I have a CDRW drive somewhere... just need to make it work with OSX good luck getting DDS tapes and/or software... so just out of curiosity... what was a "telecast" NuBus card? Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" I have alot of posts... if you don't like it than I don't know what to say.
q950 Junior Member USA 135 Posts	Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 21:50:11 Ok cory, the telecast is the supreme video input box for the nubus line of macs. It supports RGB, YUV, S and composite video in and outs and digital and analog audio in and out. The whole idea of it is to offload the encoding of digital video to the telecast box and a pair of nubus boards inside the computer. This allows the box to handle the video without loading down the computer with encoding. I will try to post some pictures. I tried it in my Quadra 950 and it worked great, the video was master quality, you couldnt tell the difference from the DVD player I used as a test source. I have an old RAID array I am going to resurrect, does anyone have some RAID software, like FWB or Apple's RAID toolkit? Isnt my drive already a DDS2 drive? The reason I think it is is because of this auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2743911832&category=11150&rd=1 It is a DDS2 and it was pulled from a WGS 9150, so I figure it is the same as mine. If it is only a DDS1 drive, what is its native capacity?BTW, I got an HPV card for it, its in the mail, what kind of memory does that take? Logan
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 00:35:25 I checked that link, its a DDS-2 4/8gb drive. You said yours was 2/4gb which is dds-1. Open the unit up and read the model number.
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 02:05:06 I have FWB Raid software, lemme dig it up.
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 02:54:55 I have these for RAID software: Apple RAID 1.5 FWB RAID Toolkit 2.0.7 I would hope one of these can help you. Tell me where to send them, upload them etc.
q950 Junior Member USA 135 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 12:39:16 I popped the top on the 9150 and took some pictures of it, the telecast and the tape drive. The tape is a 4 GB, which I assume is 4GB uncompressed and hopefully 8 GB compressed. Cory, here are some pictures of the Telecast I think you will find interesting. http://home.cfl.rr.com/jupiterheights/tape.jpg http://home.cfl.rr.com/jupiterheights/telecastback.jpg http://home.cfl.rr.com/jupiterheights/telecastfront.jpg http://home.cfl.rr.com/jupiterheights/telecastlogo.jpg http://home.cfl.rr.com/jupiterheights/tower.jpg Logan
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 13:04:47 absolutely beautiful! iNEED! I'm sure there's something similar i can get what I can just plug into a firewire port right? wow... 4/8 GB of storaege... even though I have a 60 GB hard drive here on the laptop... that sounds pretty good and on another note... the 9150 is absolutely beautiful... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" I have alot of posts... if you don't like it than I don't know what to say.
q950 Junior Member USA 135 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 13:10:38 Thanks cory. I have never seen a similar device that plugged into the Firewire port that gave as many ports, especially the super hi-quality ones like the YUV DVD-style plugs, or the AES/EBU and timecode connectors. I bet if one existed, I would be expensive because it would be a relatively new piece of equipment compared to the telecast, which cost 15,000 new and only 35 used. I would say that the telecast is like one of the few killer pieces of hardware that justifies actually buying an entirely different computer, IMO. I'll keep you posted on how the tape drive works, like if it is convenient and cost effective to use and what not.
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 14:10:56 I purchased a 7500 just to house my videovision pci + sp telecast setup. The last PCI slot id taken up by an ata/66 card for major cheap and fast ata storage. I think I have 100GB in that machine (40gb+60gb)
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 18:12:34 DAMN THATS PURDY! Tell us how fast the Tape drive is, too! "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 23:30:55 and, if you can mount tapes to desktop,or if you need special backup software to write/read to/from it Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 23:49:05 Yeah, thats one thing i've always wondered. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 00:16:10 yeah... I believe it has something to do with how the tapes are a sequential or a random access thing, as opposed to however the hard drives do it... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"

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