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shaktiman
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  12:39:48
Well I bought PSOne mag, twice now. Each time we have had Tony Hawks(he was the guy who did stutter rap in the late eighties!) skateboarding.

Well the first one confused a bit cos it was with a mountain bike not a skate board, it also had some awfull rap dude shouting unpleasantly & I kept seeing blood.

The second one is a little better featuring a skateboard Yes there are alot of crashes but not so much blood & me & my 4 year old son find it hilarious to make the skater dude crash on his butt, his head or anything.


I found it rather disturbing that I enjoyed it so much.

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Unknown_K
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  13:02:24
Jason Lee was a professional skateboarder who went on to be in some very cool movies like:
Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma to name a few.

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shaktiman
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  21:45:57
My post was pretty bad slamming all skateboarders as you saw it.

I should've put that the game itself put me off.

I found the game difficult to master, with unpleasant music/lyrics & unnessacary blood/violent overtones.

I don't think I know any skateboarders, but I have an open mind on them even after the culture shock which is Tony Hawks Skateboarding.

I wont however be rushing out to buy the films you quoted.

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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  21:56:23
Powre to ya!

I'm not much of a 'skateboarder' and am not all for that kind of culture... it's weird to see fromthe outside... just like I'm sure that our computer geek type culture looks weird from outside

yeah... that skateboard music IS weird

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shaktiman
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  22:28:48
quote:
just like I'm sure that our computer geek type culture looks weird from outside

Especially you hey cory?

I know what you mean & that is what I am trying to say I guess, to each his own.

Thanks for the posts

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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  23:05:20
quote:

yeah... that skateboard music IS weird

LOL, yes it is.

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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  23:26:25
woohoo! quoted twice from the same post!

anyway... lol

yeah... I guess the way that the computer geeks back in WA look to the outside world is kind of weird

of course... the computer nerd group didn't have a single unified style of music that they listened to... I could listen to just about anything you know

and I wasn't just a computer nerd too... I was an "Integrated" student, and also one of the smart kids

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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  23:32:43
quote:
of course... the computer nerd group didn't have a single unified style of music that they listened to... I could
listen to just about anything you know

Aye but then maybe you arn't the computer nerd we all think you are, but hey computer nerd 1988 listens to blip blop chip music & trashes TOTP.

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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  23:52:23
I was born in 1988

anyway... yeah I'm "myself"

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  00:26:18
Hmm, the compu0ter nerd culture clases me as an outcast . Everyone else that could be lcassed as it is really interasting in games, and since Im only intereasted in OS's and hardware, the class me as odd.

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  00:35:42
hehehe

yeah... I'm not too big on most games either :-\

maybe it's just the "me-ness"

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  03:51:38
quote:

Hmm, the compu0ter nerd culture clases me as an outcast . Everyone else that could be lcassed as it is really interasting in games, and since Im only intereasted in OS's and hardware, the class me as odd.

My friends also think of me a 'whacked in the head', 'odd' and some other things....my intense intrest in Russia doesnt help either

Good ideas usually are created by crazy people, go figure...


Same here. I don't have an interest in Russia, but back at school my interest in Macs didn't help much. You wouldn't believe how many times per day i got teased about it...damn i'm glad i'm finally out of that place, in a university full of nice people who are worth spending time with.

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  18:40:22
This whole skateboard culture and other culture is actually disturbing, because our kids are turning into mindless zombies that capitulate into crime and dangerous lives because thier parents don't give a ***** about them and don't spend time with them.

Ask any kid who is insane or mental/violent if they spend time with thier parents and I gaurantee 95% say no they don't do anything with thier parents.

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  19:47:39
Agreed, BoJ.

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  20:45:21
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This whole skateboard culture and other culture is actually disturbing, because our kids are turning into mindless zombies that capitulate into crime and dangerous lives because thier parents don't give a ***** about them and don't spend time with them.

Ask any kid who is insane or mental/violent if they spend time with thier parents and I gaurantee 95% say no they don't do anything with thier parents.



Thats a load of crap. The problem with kids of the last decade or 2 is that we brainwash them with bullshit.

Every kid gets a 3.0 or better in high school because its politically incorrect to fail anybody or make them feel inferior. kids cant read and write let alone do math anymore. Instead of making them learn we make every class easier for them and lower standards. How many kids today can tell time from an analog clock or add a few numbers in their head without a calculator? Also there is the trend of home schooling so parents can keep their kids from socializing with anybody thats not in their exact background so the "real world" wont influence their kids.

Also I hate that everything kids do is now a disorder like ADD so instead of teaching the little shit to pay attention we just say has a disease and give them a pill so phizer can make another quarterly profit record. If you kid ****s up and goes on a killing spree in highschool it must be the video games he played, or the music he listens to its never the fact that your little child is a phsycopath you blaim everything and everybody else.

We tell kids they can be anything they want to be instead of testing them and steering them into something that works for thier intelect and temperment.

Kids get everything handed to them so there is no incentive to do any work at all. What happened to the jobs kids used to do like delivering papers, cutting the grass, raking leaves, etc for pocket money? I see the kids in my neighborhood running around with designer clothes and they all have cell phones and I dont live in a ritzy area.

Kids are growing up feeling entitled to everything for some strange reason. Their parents sheild them from reality untill its way too late. Maybe its because both parents work so their kid can have the PS2/computer/cell phone/Tommy clothes/Eat out every day/stereo/portable mp3 players/etc. If kids had to pay cash for things instead of ordering anything they wanted with their moms credit card they would know that stuff they buy has to be paid for eventually.

Its not the time spent with kids that matter, its the quality of time. And even this wont save them from turning out bad, sometimes its genetic.


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geekwurkz
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:32:43
I don't know about you, but it seems that school itself is bullshit. I recently had my english teacher fail me because I dared to realize that the busy work she was giving me didn't do anything for me in the real world.

The public school system in the US tries to make every kid into the cookie cutter girl/boy-next-door. They don't care if the kid can do pre-calc at 14... they just send them to pre-algebra and then say stuff like, "He's just not applying himself."

Homeschooling is something to get the kids out of that hell. I don't agree with the people who pull their kids out of school to turn them into wierdos, but I do think that homeschooling is better than what I could afford in a private school, which, BTW... does the same thing as unknown_k accused homeschooling does.

Oh, and if you can't tell already, I'm a fan of full-time gifted programs.

And about ritalin and stuff... the problem isn't that ADD isn't a real disease, it's just that they give it to every freakin kid who ignores his teacher for a day. I have two friends who were on ritalin. One of them just didn't care about class because it didn't teach her anything. The other one has ADHD... she actually needs it. It's horribly overused in today's cookie-cutter society.

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:50:56
The real world is 85% busy work so get used to it. You just learned that pissing off authority (wether they deserve the title or not) gets you in trouble.

High school is basically used to seperate the kids into the college kids and the vocational kids nothing more and nothing less. If you can lear basic math and some reading writing skills they feel the job has been done. Then you go to college and find its 50% foreigners that took calculus in 3rd grade (this goes back to sheilding kids from reality I spoke about before) and alot of kids flunk out their first year or change majors from pre-med/engineering to english/history. I graduated college in 1991 with a chemical engineering degree and trust me the most important skills I ever learned were working in a team environment (with people of greatly varying skills who dont like each other), thinking things out logically, and common sence is not very common (our book smart valedictorian screwed up every lab he was in).

I also hate this 100% politically correct crap thats going on.You cant say or do anything that will even remotely offend anybody even if its just a joke. Books are being banned because of this, movies are being re edited ( han solo shooting 2nd in star wars 1 re-release). We are slowly being turned into japaneese where authority is never questioned, everything is about saving face, we work crazy hours, and we cant complain about anything. The only difference is in japan companies never fire anybody while here they do it on a weekly basis.

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  22:30:04
heh... My take on america's education system is that it needs to be less repetitive... and kids across america ARE NOT learning the same things... i cannot emphasize that lil' thing enough...

in WA there is no german in HS, but there's japanese and lots of computer courses... and in WA we learn logts about japan....

there ARE good schools in the USA, and I once went to one in Maple Valley, WA

www.tahoma.wednet.edu.

it's a great district, it's got a good technology budget, the bus rides are NOT very long and other than that the schools are clean, they might be a bit bit (1000 just 8th and 9th graders at TJH last year) but they are BY NO MEANS 'overpopulated'

I realize that for most english and social studies 'busy work' isn't condusive to actually learning... but some teachers need to use it becuase they might not have 'planning' period... in addition... 'busy work' and homework for a math class is COMPLETELY acceptable, the teachers need to give the students alot of time to grasp those concepts and junk... that's what I've been told anyway :-\

GeekWurkz, where do you live? My school in WA wansn't cookiecutting us, but in AZ, sadly, it seems as though they're trying to do something like that...

I usually have to buy my own things... and my family is NOT in "upper middle class" anymore... in fact... I got the TiBook because I was supposed to sell my other computers, because we moved, and I woudln't have the TIBook if we didn't move.
I'm going to be paying mostly for my Blue/White G3 and I will be selling things to make money and room for it...
In addition, although the B/W may be partially parentally funded, I will be saving up my own cash for Mac OS X 10.whatever server for the B/W and probably my own Panther Client upgrade for the TiBook.

I'm not in the workplace yet... but here in AZ for my parents there simply isn't any jobs... I really think that there needs to be some jobs where authority simply cannot be questioned, and weird hours will ALWAYS need to be worked... there isn't any way around that unless we can make robo-laborers...

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  01:28:57
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Thats a load of crap. The problem with kids of the last decade or 2 is that we brainwash them with
bullshit.

I honestly personally don't have all the answers, but yes I have seen a fair bit of brainwashing going on.

Kids today are given a multitude of options & told that each option is the "right" option.

In thruth there is no right/wrong way to do things, but working together makes us strong, so rather than concentrate on right/wrong, maybe we should say whats best for my group & then who is your group? are you American?, are you a member of 68kmla?

There is good & bad in everybody & everything, so choose what you want to be part of & then help to make that good.

We are all here to help each other through the difficulties of life.

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  01:38:08
I agree, shakti.

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  09:56:52
that'd be great to live by... that there is pros and cons to everything, and that everything has certain things good and bad about it.
and that there is a right for everyone, but it might not be the same thing...

In fact, I do agree with that (if that's even what you meant) I just don't know if society wants to let that be... Most European cultures, as far as I've seen, basically follow a system similar to that, but in America it does seem as though they just want to stick the bulk of us into some blue-collar job that needs virtually no talent at all :-\

either that or I'm just making things up in order not to feel inadequate.

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  12:56:29
quote:
In fact, I do agree with that (if that's even what you meant) I just don't know if society wants to
let that be... Most European cultures, as far as I've seen, basically follow a system similar to that,
but in America it does seem as though they just want to stick the bulk of us into some blue-collar
job that needs virtually no talent at all :-\

I was pleased to see Ang Lee do well(director of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon), so America can help people with different visions, perhaps America's populace just wishes to be bullied by thier overlords!?

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either that or I'm just making things up in order not to feel inadequate.

Well that is the thing you sometimes wander through life & have to question if indeed you are the one who is insane.

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  14:55:02
quote:

GeekWurkz, where do you live? My school in WA wansn't cookiecutting us, but in AZ, sadly, it seems as though they're trying to do something like that...


Central PA... My school in Salt Lake City, UT was much better, however, since I'm not Mormon I didn't really fit in there.

quote:

I also hate this 100% politically correct crap thats going on.You cant say or do anything that will even remotely offend anybody even if its just a joke. Books are being banned because of this, movies are being re edited ( han solo shooting 2nd in star wars 1 re-release).


Yeah, it gets to the point where it's nuts... For example, the Asst. Principal at my school tried to ban Farenheight 451. Never mind that it's about banned books... She also took a copy of Anthem by Ayn Rand out of the school library because it was "Not conductive to a democratic scociety" No joke.

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Kids today are given a multitude of options & told that each option is the "right" option.

Hrmmm... I seem to recall a song about that... "No Such Thing" by John Mayer...

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  17:17:40
quote:

Yeah, it gets to the point where it's nuts... For example, the Asst. Principal at my school tried to ban Farenheight 451. Never mind that it's about banned books... She also took a copy of Anthem by Ayn Rand out of the school library because it was "Not conductive to a democratic scociety" No joke.

What the hell? That sounds as bad as the bloody christian schools here that want to ban Harry Potter!

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  17:22:36
Reading shouldn't be illegal, it shouldnt be against the law or any rules, that's just stupid.

I can imagine a school library not having a book due to budget issues... but other than that... especially things like harry potter...

sickening is that.

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  17:48:40
quote:

What the hell? That sounds as bad as the bloody christian schools here that want to ban Harry Potter!


Exactly. Except this is a public school. Luckily I'm going to the high school this year so I don't have to deal with her again. A large number of the parents there want her to be fired, they're just ignored. Not suprisingly, they voted in a new superintendent this year.

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  17:51:03
School really does suck. Anyone agree with me?

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  19:57:08
I agree.

Now if only school actually taught us something. I know... I'm the king of wishful thinking.

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  20:01:21
Definately wishful thinking. Unless you want to know the basics on using drugs. Or would you like a lesson on the basics of beating the crap out of people? Or maybe even a simple lesson on taking nude photography? School can do all that for you, and more!

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shaktiman
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Posted - 26 Jul 2003 :  13:36:12
I would ban Harries Potter.

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Posted - 26 Jul 2003 :  16:30:12
Why? There's nothing wrong with Harry Potter!

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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 :  11:21:32
No real biggie,

For me Harry Potter is riding along this wave that can surley only teach kids that if your not doing well then you need supernatural powers to survive?

I believe that film is a responsible medium & should provide kids with a sense that a good/strong personality will help you be successful, not some silly magic tricks & a dodgy half uncle.

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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 :  13:23:53
quote:

No real biggie,

For me Harry Potter is riding along this wave that can surley only teach kids that if your not doing well then you need supernatural powers to survive?

I believe that film is a responsible medium & should provide kids with a sense that a good/strong personality will help you be successful, not some silly magic tricks & a dodgy half uncle.

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I thaught the whole point was that a kid can overcome cruel step parents and rich snotty kids to have good friends and do the right thing.

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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 :  20:35:31
quote:

Unless you want to know the basics on using drugs.


I already got that from "health" class.
quote:

Or would you like a lesson on the basics of beating the crap out of people?


Amazingly, I'm one of those people that nobody really hates. (at least out of ones who could beat me)
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Or maybe even a simple lesson on taking nude photography?


Why do you need to learn that at school? A 3-week summer camp will teach you that. (and how to... well... ya know)

Of course, I also learned the most effective way to duct tape a door shut, open said door, open any door using only a student ID or a paperclip and a shoestring, make the intercom play rock music from any computer on the network, change the bell sound to a randomly selected barnyard animal, create students, assign grades, and burn a CD from their locked down Windoze 2000 boxes. Of course, none of that helped my grades (If I hadn't had as much support from my teachers as I did, I'd probably have been suspended by the idiot Asst. Principal)

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No real biggie,

For me Harry Potter is riding along this wave that can surley only teach kids that if your not doing well then you need supernatural powers to survive?

I believe that film is a responsible medium & should provide kids with a sense that a good/strong personality will help you be successful, not some silly magic tricks & a dodgy half uncle.

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Interesting take on the story. I think part of the story says that no matter how screwed you seem to be, you can still get lucky. I personally just consider it a good book and nothing more.

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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 :  20:58:58
that's a good way to put it... I learn lessons from lots of books... but I really like to think of Harry Potter as a good book... I don't think much of it other than a writer with a great idea who had her ideas published...

if people have a problem with _ANY_ book... they can just not read it... and if they still read it... they're stupid... they don't need to ruin that book for other people...

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Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  10:08:11
I think it's a matter of society changing, some change is good, but sadly, we are seeing a change where respect for authority is no more, and there is more greed, and perhaps some people see this in this steroeotype, and perhaps others just don't want to get to know some skaters personally and realize they do have a life other than skating. (Although sure there are those who don't)

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Unknown_K
Full Member


USA
602 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  11:58:52
I think respect for authority has declines because corruption is now widespread in areas and is actually getting airplay.

Polititians used to get away with anything because the newspapers would just cover it up, now they show it on a loop 24/7 on CNN.

Also the news loves to show anything bad/corrupt they find going on, people get used to corruption and assume everyone does it.

The fact that the leaders in the US are lying about alot of things and treat us like idiots doesnt help matters.

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raWr
Junior Member


Tuvalu
491 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 :  12:54:41
quote:
How many kids today can tell time from an analog clock or add a few numbers in their head without a calculator?

I can.

Wait, I'm 18.

Carry on.

_r
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