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llamaboy487
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USA
516 Posts
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 :  20:00:28

Memphis got _destroyed_ by a storm today, with 100 mph straight line winds.

300,000 people are without power, millions and millions in damages...

trees are down on houses everywhere; memphis is proud of our greenery, lots of 100+ year old trees and about half of them fell today

my power was out for 12 hours and the DSL just came back on and the roof blew off my work and we lost one of the engravers and a lot of inventory so im out of a job for two or three weeks.

ive never seen anything like it in my life. high voltage transmission towers blew over. we had category-2 hurricane winds and we're in the middle of the country.

my county is in a state of emergency and may soon be declared a federal disaster area. like i said, the damages are incredible. check out http://www.wmctv.com for the site of one of our local TV stations to check out pics of the damage.

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Stryder
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USA
382 Posts
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 :  20:10:55
OMG, that's terrible. I hope everyone is okay through this disater you're all facing. Please keep us updated.

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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 :  20:11:35
wow... that's pretty bad....

I've seen storms, been in earthquakes... and the "monsoons" are even starting here... but "WHOAGLAYVENBORK"....

I wonder if this is what Northridge Earthquake (was kind of) like... I remember being about like... 6-7 years old and thinking that the house next store was being knocked down... :-\

sorry about your job! and I certainly hope that the damages to your own house aren't irrepairable or beyond the means of your family

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llamaboy487
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USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 :  20:37:26
nah we just have some roof leaks, missing a few shingles. South and west of here in downtown and the "not so nice" parts of town people were killed and lots and lots of damage happened.

Basically it was a normal thunderstorm line through arkansas until it hit the mississippi river and EXPLODED. There is a big granite obelisk in a park on the riverfront downtown and it blew over and broke in half. Mainly its just damage and power outages. several water pumping stations were damaged but they were fixed by noon today. This all happened at 7 in the morning!

traffic on the expressway through town was pretty heavy and several tractor-trailer rigs blew over on one of our bridges over the river.

just a side note, when i say "bridge over the mississippi river" most people from out of town think a little span, maybe 500 or 1000 feet... no, the Mississippi at memphis is over a mile wide! these are pretty heavy duty bridges...

UPDATE: they just said on tv that winds downtown were clocked at 102 miles per hour. also, it could be a week before everyone's electricity is back in line.

The engraving shop i work at will be closed for two or three weeks, and thats optimistic.
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 :  21:10:57
Holy hell. That's really bad....

Keep us up to date with what happens.

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USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2003 :  21:21:55
At least the power outage is only supposed to take a week. I remember when we had the ice-storm, there were people without for up to a month. Lol, the funny part was about nine months later there was an amazing surge of baby deliveries. I suppose they needed to stay warn somehow. The most damage I ever remember seeing was from Hurricane Gloria when it ripped through CT and up the coast. I still have pictures of that somewhere. One of trees in front of my Moms house snapped in half and many others were uprooted from the ground. I'll see if I can find them, scan, and upload a few to my forums.

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The Lightning Stalker
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  17:25:31
Man! Glad to hear you're alright.

I tell you, the weather this year is weird. I live in central MI and they're calling this the summer that never was. They finally showed the jet stream yesterday and it's below Indiana! It goes about half way through Wisconsin and takes a dive to the south, goes under Indiana, and Ohio, and then comes back up around Pittsburg. Talk about wierd. Then they've been having 100 degree temperatures all the way up in Montana and Idaho for the past 2 weeks!

I've heard that it's possible for the jet stream to come down and if you know anything about the jet stream, it's like 400 miles an hour. Maybe that's what happened, because I think the jet stream is going right over you.

I used to live near Plainfield, IL and this kind of reminds me of the tornado only on a larger scale and through a major city. The day of the tornado, we tried going to the store right after it hit. There were clothes and shingles in the road near the damage path. We figured out it was a tornado when we saw a high voltage trellis twisted like a pretzel. When we got to the store, the power was out, of coarse. That's a day I'll never forget.

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Unknown_K
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  19:50:32
The jet stream is so high that the air density is low allowing it to go that fast (kind of like how the space shuttle can go 15,000 miles and hour in outer space but slows down quickly coming into the atmosphere and the density rises sharply.

Anyway sorry to hear about the destruction. We have been hit with alot of thunderstorms lately in ohio, and a shitload of rain. Lots of people have 4 ft of water in their basement (not me just a small trickle to the drain). The ohio river is 17' higher then normal flooding alot of souther ohio (Im in the northeast).

Who was the guy who had to go to school earlier in the year with the basement flooded?


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maclover5
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Australia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  20:03:02
That was QuadraJets, the guy who had to go to a flooded school.

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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  20:04:15
that was QuadraJets... kinda funny that they'd still run school with that happening huh?

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Posted - 23 Jul 2003 :  20:10:23
Would never happen here, they see a little ice on the road there isnt school (let alone they cant see the road under water).

Our schools have this new fangled invention called electricity and water can cause some broblems with it.

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llamaboy487
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USA
516 Posts
Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  11:49:25
update: there are about $10 million in damages so far, and now only 225,000 people don't have power. they estimated that everyone should be back on the grid within five days.

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  18:36:00
Sad to hear about this. I know a few years back there wasd that really bad ice storm in Quebec and I sent some money down there to help out.

Every little bit helps.

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Unknown_K
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USA
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  19:16:33
quote:

update: there are about $10 million in damages so far, and now only 225,000 people don't have power. they estimated that everyone should be back on the grid within five days.

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$10 Million? you mean Billion? $10 million means 2 rich guys house burned down

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QuadraJets
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  19:53:49
Wow, that is some serious widespread damage, but, still, nothing compared to the Half-mile-wide Van Wert F-4 tornado that hit 30 miles from home... I helped clean that mess up, it was unbelievable. I moved several 300 pound I-beams that were from a movie theater that was over 3 miles away, theater seats, huge chunks of metal sheeting wrapped around trees, fiberglass embedded into trees... it was crazy.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/iwx/climate/cli/nov10/vanwert/index.shtml

And yes, I was the one who had to go to the flooded school.

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maclover5
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  20:01:26
HOLY CRAP!! Talk about Max Damage!

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llamaboy487
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:00:54
quote:

$10 Million? you mean Billion? $10 million means 2 rich guys house burned down

no, i mean $10 million... Memphis itself is mostly lower-income. By that i mean Memphis is basically a giant ghetto... so thats pretty significant. all the wealthy people live in the 'burbs.

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Unknown_K
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:04:06
No place is declaired a disaster area for $10,000,000 in damages, has to be higher or maybe its $10M just in your small area and alot more in others.

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Unknown_K
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USA
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:13:22
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No place is declaired a disaster area for $10,000,000 in damages, has to be higher or maybe its $10M just in your small area and alot more in others.



Well the last storm in trumble county (close to here) did at least $3 million in damage a few days ago and they are adding it up to declair a disaster area. I think there are different "disaster area" meanings when they are declaired by county, state, and national levels. So basically I was wrong in the above.

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macdaddy
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:35:30
It's macdaddy here, your official 68kmla meteorologist!

This summer's been a very active one for severe weather indeed. Going way back into the last weeks of April, and into the first half of May, where we had the perfect upper level setup for severe weather across the Plains - the upper jet was out of the southwest, and you had low level warm air advecting off the Gulf, with plenty of moisture - with excellent directional and speed shear, to fire off the supercell thunderstorms (supercell storms have rotating updrafts known as mesocyclones - from the meso you get your tornado once in a while), and since the pattern was persistent, we saw a whole week of outbreak days, from may 4th to may 10th, where nearly 400 tornadoes touched down, as well as plenty of straightline wind and hail reports.

This persistent pattern we've been in lately with having a strong ridge out west, with several pieces of energy (known in our world of meteorology as shortwaves) kicking down to the south from Canada, which have affected the eastern states. These shortwaves ride along the upper jet, which, actually only runs in the 100-200 mph range in the jet max region, it's at the 250-300 millibar (millibar=the standard unit for atmospheric pressure) level, which is around 10,000 meters AGL (above ground level). The storms will generally fire where there is good divergent flow, in the left exit region, or right entrance region of a jet max (which is associated with these waves dropping down into an area). That's where you get the best upward vertical motion. At the surface you need good low level moisture, which with southerly winds at the surface pulling up Gulf moisture, is no problem. And these storms that have fired have been in regions where the vertical wind shear hasn't been the greatest, but more unidirectional - that is, your winds are more or less from the same direction at the surface, and into the upper levels of the atmosphere. With unidirectional shear you can easily have these lines of storms fire up along a boundary of some sort (be it a front, or an outflow boundary from the previous day's storms) and since they are in an area of strong upper winds, they form what is known as a bow echo on radar. As this complex of storms moves along, it can have very strong forward flank downdraft winds out ahead of it. These events where a large bow echo rolls through a long distance (they can go for several states) is known as a derecho, which causes widespread straight line wind damage.

As far as the Van Wert tornado, that was a very rare case, where we had extremely moist air (dewpoints were running in the low 60?F range) for early November, and there were several small frontal waves along the cold front, which caused some backing (turning counterclockwise with height) of the winds to a more southeasterly direction at the surface, and you had upper winds out of the west. With that setup, you had a discrete supercell that fired up near Muncie, IN (discrete = by itself, apart from the main squall line of storms) and since it was in this good wind environment it was capable of producing a monster tornado.

Anyhoo, that's your meteorology lesson for the day!

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QuadraJets
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:41:34
Of course, my brother just HAD to elaborate a bit, just 'cause it has to do with weather

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llamaboy487
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:47:06
http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1374203

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:56:54
quote:

http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1374203

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$40M just for getting utilities back up and running, thats not including any damages to property etc. Will be alot higher when they add evreything up.


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llamaboy487
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  21:58:57
another article, this one is out of nashville

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/03/07/36441103.shtml?Element_ID=36441103

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  22:00:24
quote:

It's macdaddy here, your official 68kmla meteorologist!

This summer's been a very active one for severe weather indeed. Going way back into the last weeks of April, and into the first half of May, where we had the perfect upper level setup for severe weather across the Plains - the upper jet was out of the southwest, and you had low level warm air advecting off the Gulf, with plenty of moisture - with excellent directional and speed shear, to fire off the supercell thunderstorms (supercell storms have rotating updrafts known as mesocyclones - from the meso you get your tornado once in a while), and since the pattern was persistent, we saw a whole week of outbreak days, from may 4th to may 10th, where nearly 400 tornadoes touched down, as well as plenty of straightline wind and hail reports.

This persistent pattern we've been in lately with having a strong ridge out west, with several pieces of energy (known in our world of meteorology as shortwaves) kicking down to the south from Canada, which have affected the eastern states. These shortwaves ride along the upper jet, which, actually only runs in the 100-200 mph range in the jet max region, it's at the 250-300 millibar (millibar=the standard unit for atmospheric pressure) level, which is around 10,000 meters AGL (above ground level). The storms will generally fire where there is good divergent flow, in the left exit region, or right entrance region of a jet max (which is associated with these waves dropping down into an area). That's where you get the best upward vertical motion. At the surface you need good low level moisture, which with southerly winds at the surface pulling up Gulf moisture, is no problem. And these storms that have fired have been in regions where the vertical wind shear hasn't been the greatest, but more unidirectional - that is, your winds are more or less from the same direction at the surface, and into the upper levels of the atmosphere. With unidirectional shear you can easily have these lines of storms fire up along a boundary of some sort (be it a front, or an outflow boundary from the previous day's storms) and since they are in an area of strong upper winds, they form what is known as a bow echo on radar. As this complex of storms moves along, it can have very strong forward flank downdraft winds out ahead of it. These events where a large bow echo rolls through a long distance (they can go for several states) is known as a derecho, which causes widespread straight line wind damage.

As far as the Van Wert tornado, that was a very rare case, where we had extremely moist air (dewpoints were running in the low 60?F range) for early November, and there were several small frontal waves along the cold front, which caused some backing (turning counterclockwise with height) of the winds to a more southeasterly direction at the surface, and you had upper winds out of the west. With that setup, you had a discrete supercell that fired up near Muncie, IN (discrete = by itself, apart from the main squall line of storms) and since it was in this good wind environment it was capable of producing a monster tornado.

Anyhoo, that's your meteorology lesson for the day!

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Edited by - macdaddy on 24 Jul 2003 21:37:04


Do you guys really bounce around from US to Metric units in canada? MPH and F are english units, millibar & meters is metric. Think we use inches of mercury here for barometer readings (or at least used to)

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macdaddy
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  22:14:22
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I used to live near Plainfield, IL....tornado

Ahhh, Plainfield, Ill... August 28, 1990. That tornado was a mile-wide F5 monster, and the tornado struck without warning, and it has been a tornado event that meteorologists have discussed/debated about why warnings were not issued for it, that the Chicago office of the NWS was way too conservative when it came to issuing warnings for its area. In fact, in the years leading up to the Plainfield tornado, that office was rated the worst as far as accuracy on its warnings - they didn't want to issue so many warnings that the public became complacent with hearing a warning. This has come to be known as the Plainfield effect - the line to draw as far as whether or not to issue a warning. Since 1990, the NWS has come a long way, especially after the national network of Doppler radar were installed, and the NWS forecast offices reorganized.

i did a little bit of research on that tornado a while back, as far as seeing some surface and upper features - and this event did not have the typical strong low-level shear, but was more driven by the extremely unstable airmass that was in place.

So there you have it, some random stuff about the Plainfield tornado

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  22:16:50
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Do you guys really bounce around from US to Metric units in canada? MPH and F are english units, millibar & meters is metric. Think we use inches of mercury here for barometer readings (or at least used to)

As a meteorologist, we use metric units everywhere actually. We do use standard ?F for surface plots in the U.S. but as far as upper-air, it's in?C and heights are in meters, and pressures are in millibars. For winds, we use knots, and meters per second.

here's a sampling of a typical 250 mb plot from 0000Z this evening (that's be 8pm EDT) - this one has wind barbs (which show speed and direction), as well as speed and height contours.
http://weather.cod.edu/upper/uh2spd.gif

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  01:06:15
quote:

Of course, my brother just HAD to elaborate a bit, just 'cause it has to do with weather

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  17:27:33
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That tornado was a mile-wide F5 monster

Well, it should have been. Fujita himself was there and insisted it was an F4. I still think it was an F5, though.

Several small funnels converged in a corn field under a green sky just west of the Wheatland Plains subdivision. The resulting funnel hit a house my father had placed a bid on in 1988. It moved to the southeast, a direction unusual for tornadoes, hitting more houses and farms. After crossing the Du Page river, the funnel exploded to a mile-wide size and then hit Plainfield High School, leveling the entire building. St. Mary Immaculate Catholic Church just to the southeast came next, but it had a dome shape and was constructed of reinforced concrete and was the only building to survive a direct hit. Shrapnel damage littered the inside and water came in. The building had a large conspicuous egg-beater with a crucifix in it on top that was bent to the ground. The church was later demolished and rebuilt due to fears of structural integrity. After hitting more houses, the tornado hit the Grand Prarie Elementary School and destroyed most of it. Over the next few miles it hit more houses and an apartment complex, bent a high voltage trullace to the ground like a pretzel, weakening, and eventually lifting on the west end of Joliet.

It killed 28 people.

I still remember that day. It was very hot and humid all day and there was no wind. After the storm, the temperature dropped 20 degrees and stayed cool the rest of the year. Nothing ever seemed quite the same around there after that.

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  17:36:23
wow... hehhe... I feel inadequate now seeing as basically whatever I know about tornadoes came from the movie "twister"

anyway... in WA we've been without power for some time every so often...

you get 'computer withdrawals' '

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Posted - 25 Jul 2003 :  18:11:49
Here's a little bit of a site I found about the Plainfield tornado... it talks about the weather conditions leading up to the storms that day. Some of the stuff might be a little over you head, but it's not too technical of a writeup. This site does list it as an F5, btw... eeeeeiiiiinteresting......

http://www.nrnilstormlab.com/coverstory2.html

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Posted - 26 Jul 2003 :  16:47:32
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