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clancychem
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USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  20:47:36
Just for everyone's info, my Voodoo3 3000 16MB PCI video card works in Jaguar.  I am running a Beige G3/266 (Rev. 3: $77D.45F2) with a Voodoo3 card that was flashed with the latest Mac ROM that is available:  V3-166-5-29-2000.rom.

The Displays button is System Preferences lists the following resolutions available:  640 x 480, 800 x 600, 832 x 624, 1024 x 768, 1152 x 870, 1280 x 1024, 1600 x 1200, all at millions of colors.

The display doesn't activate until OS X is nearly done loading, like I have read about the PCI Radeons. 

Surprised that it was working, I decided to push it a little and try the Quartz Extreme
hack (PCI Extreme 2.1 - PCI Only setting), along with running a few tests with SpeedRun 1.2. 

Before PCI Extreme 2.1
Graphics     60
Harddrive    72
Processor    60
RAM          144
Overall        84

After PCI Extreme 2.1
Graphics     63
Harddrive  111
Processor    69
RAM          126
Overall        93

Performance isn't spectacular, but the system is very usable for the text editing/web
browsing/occassional X11 programs, which is what I need it to do. 

The Beige G3/266 Desktop I use has 512MB total (1 x 256MB PC100 SDRAM, 1 x 256MB PC133 SDRAM) with 3dfx Voodoo3 3000 16MB PCI, Matrox Millennium 1 2MB
PCI, and D-Link 530Tx+ PCI NIC filling the PCI slots.  The hard drive I am using is a
Matrox 6Y080P0 80GB EIDE on the internal IDE0 bus and a Philips ReWritable-2x2x6
CD-RW (which Jaguar says is fully compatible, but have yet to try it out) drive on the
internal IDE1 bus.

The Matrox Millennium 1 2MB was flashed with the latest Mac ROM v.3.01.  It works in Jaguar as well but is very finicky about wanting to work after switching back and forth between Mac OS 9.2.2 and Mac OS X 10.2.6.  When it does work the display doesn't activate until the OS is nearly done loading.  I have yet to do any SpeedRun tests on just the Matrox card, but it definitely felt faster than the onboard ATI video. 

X11 (full screen) crashes when I have both video cards running in Jaguar, but I think that might be due to the Windowmaker window manager I have set up.

Sean - clancychem

Edited by - clancychem on 19 Jul 2003 20:48:46

Edited by - clancychem on 19 Jul 2003 20:53:06

cory5412
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4679 Posts
Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  21:25:26
cool! I am shopping around for a Blue/White G3 system and might go to a beigey if I can't scrape up enough money for the blue/white...

I'd probably just use the blue/whites' card for graphics... but it's cool to know that some other cards work

Somewhere I have an ATi Mach64 that I might want to put into my 7300 or 6500 and flash

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maclover5
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Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  22:34:29
Very nice!

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Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  22:52:39
hehehe... I really should see if I can't find out how to "flash" my ATi Mach64... if it's even possible and if so, how I do it

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Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  23:45:44
Why would you do it? Should just work as-is.

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SiliconValleyPirate
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United Kingdom
273 Posts
Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  00:32:04
Cory - save those pennies and get a G3 B&W, even if it tqakes a little longer. You won't regret it as long as you buy a Rev 2

Even tho i now have a G4 iMac (WOOOO) my G3/400 remains a file/backups server and is on 24/7 (powercuts not withstanding!!). It's been a workhorse for me for over a year and now it's keeping it's place as my iMac's right hand man .

Plus they look muuuchhh nicer

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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  00:53:56
yeah... I'm going to do that because of those reasons... I almost had a rev. 2 eBay auction nailed for a nice price :(

yeah... I have several people who've warned me about things like... rev. 1 B/Ws and later rev. iMac CRTs

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Gothikon
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Australia
537 Posts
Posted - 24 Jul 2003 :  01:15:07
As far as V3's in Jag are concerned they haven't worked for everyone but it's always worth a shot.

It is not worth enabling QE with a PCi graphics card however, although there are slight improvements in some areas it is worse in other and has a few nasty side effects. There are various mentions of this on other sites.

I would be interested to know what kind of acceleration you actually get with a V3 however, the open GL support was never finished by 3dfx in the drivers at least for the Mac versions. What are games and movies like? DVD playback?

Personally I'd be flashing a Radeon 7000 myself, slightly better performance, more VRAM dual head and TV out, although double the price on eBay 40-45 USD isn't a lot for those features and DVD playback.

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