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llamaboy487
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USA
516 Posts		 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  07:04:36
yes, thats right folks, if you download the latest version of the bootloader (20030717) and compile it and link it and write it to the first sector of a flopy disk (all of which is easier than it sounds) your computer will boot to a blinking cursor!

It is waiting to load a protected mode kernel image, but it boots!

excuse me if i'm trolling about llama-X, its just... I feel like a new father

Oh another update: We all know that Mac OSX has Darwin as its kernel... well, llama-X has Alpaca as its base system

download the latest release of lxboot-x86 at http://sourceforge.net/projects/nerdsoft-os and soon the llama-X Project website will be available, right now its not up http://llama-x.digitalnn.com

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1006 Posts		 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  07:21:30
Sounds like fun.

btw, when I get a chance, I will send a request for u to add me to the project. I have a sourceforge username.

:)

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llamaboy487
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516 Posts		 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  10:39:53
don't download that release yet, I just looked at it and found a way to make it faster. Check back to the project page for another release tonight.

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312 Posts		 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  13:53:31
cool ... sounds good ...

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Australia
5830 Posts		 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  16:37:16
Nice! What's Alpaca? A Linux distro? I've never heard of it...thats all.

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747 Posts		 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  16:56:09
Sounds like a play on the llama idea.

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  20:10:08
alpaca is his own distribution or something...

BTW
the OSX kernel is "Mach"

layers me boy... layers

Cocoa + Carbon + Classic Mode
Aqua
Darwin + BSD subsystem
Mach Kernel

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516 Posts		 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 :  21:24:20
well whatever... Darwin is the innards of OSX, Alpaca is the innards (kernel, etc.) of llama-X, and yeah its a play on the llama theme

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873 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  04:49:24
Congrats on getting to the blinken-boot stage.

For your next release, will it say "Hello World" on the the screen?

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1006 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  06:41:09
Projects like this are alot of fun and give you extra chances to learn, get those brain cells pumping neurons.

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5830 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  07:13:26
Yes, they are. But yes, it always feels great when a new project finally starts to take shape and starts to develop more rapidly. It gives me that really nice feeling when i know i finally have something working.

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1006 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  07:59:16
Whack - A - Mole time!

That means it's time to squash bugs.

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llamaboy487
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516 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  11:54:58
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=18078&group_id=43263

next step in the project is to work on the design, design of the task manager and the desktop and the applications shortcut menu (not really a start menu... im going to start calling it the Applications "pane")

once the design is pretty solid and we know what it is we want to do and where we want to go with the project, then the actual hacking will start, first on the kernel and then on the UI.

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geekwurkz
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USA
156 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  21:30:20
Cool... It works! I can't wait to get a kernel on top of that.

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  21:54:09
yeah... I've tried to have an operating system be my project... but BOY is networking and servers easier for me...

Maybe one day I'll run llama-X on my server

I'm also good at management [:d]

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5830 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  22:35:24
quote:

yeah... I've tried to have an operating system be my project... but BOY is networking and servers easier for me...

Wise idea.

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llamaboy487
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516 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  22:50:31
we seriously do need some 486 and Pentium boxes donated, because with the death of my 486 box the only testbed we have now (at least at my house) is the IBM PS/2-55LS with a 386SX...

read the doc linked to above for more.

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  22:58:23
hehehe... sorry... my server is PowerPC now... and I don't have any other PCs....

I'm PowerPC only at the monent...

cept the PB100 I'm selling to BCA and the IIsi hidden somewhere...

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5830 Posts		 Posted - 19 Jul 2003 :  23:47:27
llama: Shouldn't be too hard to find an old 486 or Pentium. Start looking through school/university/PeeCee chop shop dumpsters. You'll find something.

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1006 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  01:04:34
Virtual PC and Vmware are good, I have both if you need it.

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geekwurkz
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USA
156 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  11:49:09
I've got three systems already avalable for testing... a Socket 4 Pentium, a Socket 7 Pentium, and an IBM/PS2 Model 56 486SLC

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llamaboy487
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516 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  19:31:26
i have vPC, i just like the added comfort of having a room full of computers with different configurations to try it on...

and i also have my IBM PS/2 Model 55LS with a 386SX, which is not too shabby for testing low-level kernel stuff.

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1006 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  19:54:27
Soon I will have a dos card from Apple, we can try it on that, hopefully you can make it work on it. I know some Linux distros don't work on them, but hey, maybe we can try.

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  20:13:00
that would be cool

if I had a few extra peesees or something I'd be happy to try... maybe if It'll all fit on a floppy I could test it out on my bro's Athlon 700 :-\

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1006 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  21:44:13
Or try a bootable CD-R, as many new age machines support booting from CD.

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  21:46:18
yeah... but I can barely get that OSX public preview downloaded... or anything else let alone an OS for a computer that's not even mine...

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1006 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  21:49:05
Llama isn't very big from what I can see so it shouldn't be more than 20MB during the first stages, so that shouldn't be too bad.

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  21:57:58
actually... well I still want/need that OSX preview... I'll have to look into leaving the 'book on overnight to download the OSX thingy...

yeah... Maybe I will download llama-X one of these days

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226 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jul 2003 :  22:01:11
This is awesome. I just hope that I did not throw away all of the 386 boards that I had.

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  09:08:07
wow... tha'd be good for llama-X testing I'm certain!

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516 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  12:01:39
quote:

Llama isn't very big from what I can see so it shouldn't be more than 20MB during the first stages, so that shouldn't be too bad.

Ha! At the moment its a FAT-12 bootloader that fits on the first few sectors of a floppy disk! We're currently working on designing the kernel before we implement anything else... and also getting the infrastructure of the project set up.

quote:

This is awesome. I just hope that I did not throw away all of the 386 boards that I had.

I hope not too! Even though we have two or three machines to test on, every little bit helps. Are they just boards, or are they complete systems?


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4679 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  12:15:35
fat 12?

let's just go ahead and make ourselves a FAT-64 filesystem... (actually not a bad idea)

anyway.... yeah...

Maybe anyone who tests LLama-X could write a bit about it and about the project for MLAgazine...

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516 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  12:27:41
Well, later on in the project I plan on implementing a custom filesystem, something object-oriented.

Although... FAT-64 might not be a bad idea, but the FAT system is kinda outdated, what with NTFS and journaling filesystems and such.

I kinda am planning on using something akin to the BeFS for the project, maybe in these early kernel-only stages we can use something like ext2 or ext3... what filesystems do you MLA'ers suggest?

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  12:32:48
HFS HFS HFS HFS!!!!!

HEIRARCHICAL FILE SYSTEM!!!!

We All love the Heirarchy!

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156 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  14:34:05
quote:

I've got three systems already avalable for testing... a Socket 4 Pentium, a Socket 7 Pentium, and an IBM/PS2 Model 56 486SLC

Make that four... I just dug up a Zenith Data Systems "Z-Note 325L" (25MHz 386 SL) notebook. The built in MFM-300 Monitor should come in handy.

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4679 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  15:03:36
if I had a system... I'd probably volunteer it for testing... but sadly all I have is this GHz TiBook.. and other things (all macs)

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5830 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  16:35:41
quote:

HFS HFS HFS HFS!!!!!

HEIRARCHICAL FILE SYSTEM!!!!

We All love the Heirarchy!

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Good idea. I can smell way too much FAT in here.

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156 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  20:45:26
Heh... I like HFS too. I'd still vote for something that Partition Magic can handle, like ext2 or NTFS(Blech!)

Nick

HFS also takes up less room on a DSDD floppy... Formats to 800k instead of 720k!

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5830 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  22:29:41
I know. One advantage of using a Mac, i guess.

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516 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jul 2003 :  23:49:49
http://llama-x.digitalnn.com/wiki/

the llama-X Project now has a WikiWikiWeb. Not much of the documentation is up yet, but its coming soon.

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516 Posts		 Posted - 22 Jul 2003 :  00:04:42
UPDATE: now all the documentation we have has been transferred to the Wiki, so dont check back to the sourceforge page for documentation and news, only releases.

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