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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  06:04:07
Well I have an interesting story to tell. Some of you may have chatted with me on AIM and found out about some of this.

Yesterday I was taking the recycling out, walking with my mom as she left to go out for dinner with a friend.

At the recycling bins was a bag of computer goods. My mom said to be carefull because you never know if an item is hot etc. I take a load of hard drives inside, most don't work, but there are a few 1GB's that are working good.

Then I plug in this one drive, and it's got no labels, nothing.

The volume label says "HP_PAVILION" which was a dead give away that this used to be in a HP. So I looked at the size and it was a 10GB! Wow! That was a nice catch of the day. :)

I looked in the drive and noticed alot of files, I am a little nosy, but I noticed alot of personal files and very sensitive information. I found some documents belonging to Mr. "A". So I used the directory assistace to verify that his phone number had not changed. So I called him up and was talking with his daughter, gave her the information on what I found etc., and she said she would get back to me.

Her mom phones around 10:30PM and we talk for about 20 minutes as I explain everything to her. She finall realizes it's not her husband's machine but a close friend of thiers who helped her husband with various work on the computer. So she asks permission to call hima nd give him my number.

He calls me around 11:30PM and we talk for a bit and I find out the truth:

No, the drive wasn't stolen per say, they had paid for it, the machines and a whole bunch of other stuff for who knows how long to be DESTROYED. As far as he was concerned, these machines no longer existed on God's green earth, they were finale, the end.

So, needless to say he wasn't happy about the fact that this drive and who knows what else was still around.

Anyways, I got the opinion he is willing to offer me a job in some form, and I have as a courtesy wiped the drive for him via a 7 Pass US D.O.D. 5200.28-STD, and we will arrange for him to pick the drive up in a while.

So, you really got to know who you trust nowadays!!!!

foetoid
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USA
554 Posts
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  06:49:25
Wow, that's a wierd story.... I hope whatever else of his that he thought was gone really is, or it could crawl up his leg and bite him in the ass one day.

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Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  07:07:30
Wow. Crazy indeed. Who was in charge of destroying the machines?

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thequietman
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Canada
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Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  07:41:29
I dunno, but I sure wouldn't want to be them


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maclover5
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Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  07:48:46
So would i....

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  16:38:34
Scary methinks.

I'll destroy stuff myself, get a good 20 dollars sledge hammer from Home Depot, problem solved.

(Don't worry they are PC's) :P

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maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  17:01:00
Lol, an even better idea is to remove the hard drive(s) from EVERY computer you get rid of, just to be safe. Its impossible for someone to uncover your confidential data then, unless they break into your house and steal the drive.

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cory5412
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Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  21:51:10
yeah... dad and I used to crush th eparts of every computer we got rid of... but I've seen drivesavers ads! eep!

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Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  22:21:55
Cory, nothing's safer than removing the HD completely and then selling the computer as is, without the HD.

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  22:36:15
Nothing beats removing the seal from the disks. Oops! a spec of dust got in.

Thats what I did to the other disks I had that were no good. Removed thier seals, cut thier data ribbons and made sure i took some chips of the controller board and smuzzled the pins.

:P

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Posted - 12 Jul 2003 :  23:06:53
Nice. And fun, i imagine.

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Ivory Coast
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Posted - 13 Jul 2003 :  01:27:47
I once had a MFM drive and I took the seal off and put it back together after I removed a piece of metal that was rolling around inside, plugged it back in and worked fine till I sold it.

Then again, Seagate was always into high quality. Plus, it was a 20MB drive and 5.25" so I doubt a spec of dust would have any serious effect on it compared to today's drives which one spec means millions of bytes lost.

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Alien
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Netherlands
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Posted - 13 Jul 2003 :  04:18:41
quote:
Nothing beats removing the seal from the disks. Oops! a spec of dust got in.

Thats what I did to the other disks I had that were no good. Removed thier seals, cut thier data ribbons and made sure i took some chips of the controller board and smuzzled the pins.


Believe it or not, specialised companies (like DriveSavers) can still recover data after a treatment like that.

If you want to be sure, do it the military way: grind the HD platters to dust.

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Posted - 13 Jul 2003 :  04:31:32
OSX (Panther) has now got a "secure delete" function ... it overwrites your data with random data ...

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AnubisTTP
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USA
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Posted - 13 Jul 2003 :  04:39:44
Of course, if you simply remove the drive, you will subject the poor computer geek who buys the machine at a garage sale to the same fate that I am sure we have all faced dozens of times. You know, you buy an old Mac from somewhere, get it home, and discover that it does not have a hard drive. "No big deal" you think, you have scads of old drives sitting around to put in it. But nine times out of ten, when the guy removed the drive, he also took the sled that the drive is attached to. The end result, you can not simply put the drive in, because the part it is screwed to is missing, and odds are that since there are approximately 600 different drive sleds, you do not have one in your box of spare parts. You could try to buy a replacement sled somewhere, though finding one is typically only slightly less difficult than making a scale replica of the Washington Monument out of dryer lint, or you just duct tape the sucker in (yes I have done it before).

Of course, if the previous user had used a program like PGP to overwrite the data instead of removing the drive sled, none of this would be a problem.

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maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts
Posted - 13 Jul 2003 :  04:54:53
Firstly, welcome back, Anubis. Its great to see you again.

Secondly. When you remove the drive from the computer, its a good idea to remove the sled, and install the empty sled in the computer exactly as you would if you were mounting a drive.

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Posted - 13 Jul 2003 :  12:08:13
Ever put a magnet in a fire? It loses its magnetic charge. The same goes for hard drives.

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G4from128k
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USA
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Posted - 13 Jul 2003 :  15:47:34
quote:
I find out the truth:

No, the drive wasn't stolen per say, they had paid for it, the machines and a whole bunch of other stuff for who knows how long to be DESTROYED. As far as he was concerned, these machines no longer existed on God's green earth, they were finale, the end.

So, needless to say he wasn't happy about the fact that this drive and who knows what else was still around.


I'd bet that the people that he paid to destroy the machines, just recycled the stuff. Anything of moderate value (like that decently large HD) was scavenged and sold. I've often thought about going to the local recycling center to see if any good Macinstuff comes in and if I could do a bit of scavenging/extraction of goodies.

You did a very nice thing, The Balance of Judgement, by tracking down the original owner. I'm sure they are glad that their data fell into more reputable hands.

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
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Posted - 13 Jul 2003 :  23:09:36
I am happy I was able to help them out. When I first called the first person's number my heart was beating 90 miles an hour I was so nervous.

As for the fire bit, if I have a bon fire with some friend, I'll bring the drives along. Or I can advertise a geek's campfire experience where we have fun trashing hardware. :P

The sad thing is this sort of thing is probably more common than people think. To top it off, there are still a number of machines that are most likely out there. Granted as he said the data was 2 years old so it is doubtfull that any of it are in any serious way going to cause them trouble if it ended up public, but the thought is the hard part.

He mentioned that there could be a job for me, since they could use people that are going to handle info properly and not just "dump" it as he said where I was. I have a webpage bookmarked from the US Goverment where they outline procedures for any Goverment machine to be cleaned before being sent away, iether for sale or as donation. There is a program for Windows called BC Wipe, which I used to wipe the drive clean. It's a 7-Pass wipe that will make it impossible to get anything out of it.

It's easier on the macs because drive setup and other utils will just let you zero all data, and if you need a more secure option, fill the drive with data and repeat. But, it's interesting how the goverment is satisfied with Mac OS's simple "low level format" and "zero all data" options, but on the pc they require more advanced methods, one attribute to PC's complexity.

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G4from128k
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USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 :  03:37:49
I'd be careful about burning any electronic equipment because the high temperatures can also oxidize the lead in the solder. Lead is very bad stuff -- it causes permanent neurological damage and stays in the body for a long time (half-life of about 10 years). I'm sure that the 7-pass wipe process is more than good enough.

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Ivory Coast
1006 Posts
Posted - 14 Jul 2003 :  04:27:25
I wouldn't wanna do that.

But I could take it to a steel factory like in Terminator 2 and say "Hasta La Vista, Baby!"

Then it's be history. The kid's expression was priceless: "We got skynet by the balls now don't we?"

I wish someone would hurry up and find how to do this with Microsoft. It's thier blantant ignorance that leads to this insecurity. They tell people to have fun then they take all the fun away with warnings and jibberish. Too complex.

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Christophillis
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 :  07:06:00

lol, I just got through watching that movie. Very well said.

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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 :  07:16:04
BoJ: I fully understand what you said about Mordor$oft.

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Ivory Coast
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 :  14:19:48
"Microsoft can shove thier OS up Intel's backside cache"

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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 :  14:53:58
HAR!™

Personally, i dunno if i'd be game enough to even look up Intel's Backside cache......

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