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Fedorenko
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Australia
463 Posts
Posted - 10 Jul 2003 :  22:32:34
Hi,

Im intereasting in knowing if there are currently any Operating SYstems commercially developed for any system running on 680x0. Speciifcally if they utilise a GUI.

Also, since it was deleted in the last outage. What kind of conditions did Apple face when it used the printer engines from Hewlett Packard? What costs? As I said before, Im intereasted as IBM and Dell these days are blantatly making Lexmark printers that are black with their logos on them, and wondering how they rigged it up.

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cory5412
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Posted - 10 Jul 2003 :  22:37:08
you can get a debian or other linux... or BSD.... all are open source... and you can implement Xwindows (or whatever) on any of them....

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Fedorenko
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Australia
463 Posts
Posted - 10 Jul 2003 :  22:43:17
This is what makes it difficult, I dont paricularily want a Linux or BSD. Makes it harder hey

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cory5412
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Posted - 10 Jul 2003 :  23:12:25
lol... sorry 'bout that...

I know that mandrake and YDL are for PPC, and theyre basically developed (similarly to commercially)

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Fedorenko
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Australia
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Posted - 10 Jul 2003 :  23:41:32
Doesnt seem to be any, hmm, looks like its 'Changing Critical Concept time"..CCC for short. . I know of a couple that arnt commercial, some of the Atari TOS's for short, but it has got to be Comercial. Pitty Milan shut down...

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shaktiman
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United Kingdom
1226 Posts
Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  01:58:43
Why does it have to be commercial?

Anyhow we have Emutos which is an attempt at re-writing Tos & making it it better I assume, I assume it must be 68k based, Then Magic, I'm sure they are still offering 68k support.

They all seem to have given up on 68k's which is a big shame, well I live in the past but yes there are still possibilities for Motorola's 680x0 cpu's.

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G4from128k
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  03:38:43
A quick Google search shows there are many 68k OS out there (PDOS Real Time Operating System, RMS68k, Applix 1616, Concurrent 68k, EUMEL, MINOS, MOS, MULTI-FORTH, THEOS, UMD, VERSAdos, etc.). IBM even had a 68k OS for a 68k-based workstation they made in the early 80s. But I doubt that these systems are graphical.

As for deals like the one between Dell and Lexmark, it is usualy some money upfront, a share in the revenues, and maybe some volume gaurantees. Usually the printer company gets paid upfront for the costs of engineering and setting up the new line of printers. But if Dell were sufficiently shrewd or the printer company were sufficiently hungry, it is possible that Lexmark paid Dell for the right to "access" Dell's customers.

The printer business is a strange one -- companies make no money or even lose money on the printer. Where they make all their profits is on supplies. (BTW, razor blades and jet engines are the same way). For example, 55% of all of Lexmark's sales are printer cartridges. Dell's appraoch here is pretty ingenious. When a Dell/Lexmark printer is running low on ink, it alerts the PC and takes the user directly to Dell's website to buy a replacement cartridge. I'm sure that Dell and Lexmark are sharing these revenues. I wish I knew the exact number, but deals like this are usually kept secret.

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Fedorenko
Junior Member


Australia
463 Posts
Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  04:13:32
It has to be commercial as it is for a commercial product. Im prety sure most of those OSs are either no commercial, no graphical or no longer developed. OS-9 was quite a nice OS, and I think it was capable of graphics too.

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maclover5
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  08:11:39
Then just install Mac OS!

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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  17:25:40
quote:
OS-9 was quite a nice OS, and I think it was capable of graphics too.

Yeah, but it won't run on 68k

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maclover5
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  19:47:24
It may. We're not talking about the OS 9 that we all know, this time we're talking Microware OS-9, originally designed to run on the Motorola 6809 CPU, and to be used as an embedded operating system. Remember the company that wanted to sue Apple for trademark infringement? This is it.

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cory5412
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  21:33:47
hehehe... what kind of project is it anyway?

yeah I remember themicrowarepeople... Sun is on Solaris 9 (but that doesnt' help eh?)

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Metrophage
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Tonga
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  22:03:29
As I understand the EMUTOS project, most people who use Atari software these daze use an emulator, which requires a TOS image to run. The TOS data is proprietary, so the EMUTOS is being made mostly as a code-compatable version which will hopefully some day be able to seamlessly run Atari TOS software. I have not tried it yet, I hear it has a ways to go yet.

As for 68k OSz, hard to find GUI ones in the usual sense. The 68k family comprises the most popular embedded microprocessors ever. Kewl thing is that there is an amazing amount ov device firmware out there which is usually coded in 68k assembly. If you consider the firmwares to be little operating systems, the 68k probably has more than any in the world!
Still, MacOS and TOS are the only graphical ones which spring to mind. If you don't mind configuring a UNIX operating system, then you can just run stuph in X11 and put a GUI over the icky filesystem contents. People and companies tend to only sell more generalized systems if they don't know exactly what the hardware is going to be like. If you switch a few chips around it no longer works. i bet you can't run MacOS on an Atari, or TOS on a Mac without some clever code to emulate parts ov the hardware. The 68k CPU is just one consideration. UNIX is generalized enough that you can run it- itself a feat- and then customize to your liking. I don't know if you will find any out-ov-the-box solutions

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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  22:16:10
Exactly. Mac OS is the most complete, and one of the only out of the box solutions for 68ks.

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Fedorenko
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Australia
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Posted - 11 Jul 2003 :  22:45:25
68060 and co are off the list then, x86, PPC, and Xscale it is! [:D)

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