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The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 22:43:34 Check out this page: http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/colin/ceiva/ for really cool information on how to easily hack a Ceiva LCD Picture Frame and get it to run Linux. I am pretty sure 68K users could do most of what is required, I am just not 100% if the binary/source code that works on Linux/Unix for 68K is as up to dat as the x86 ones, as the distros available may not have all the requirements in the kernel etc., but even as-is once you have your Ceiva hacked, you can use your *nix loving mac to execute stuff on it. ;-)
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:01:27 hehehe... picture frames running linux? what ever is next! I want one of those iOpeners! having one or 2 of those with linux would be cool Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 05:43:55 Its funny how bill gates wants everything to run some form of windows, and the linux camp wants the same thing with their OS. Are the linux freaks going to hack a toaster oven so it boots the linux kernal? Where will it end. What the hell do you want linux running on a LCD picture frame (besides the thrill of getting it to work)?
Metrophage New Member Tonga 54 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2003 : 02:56:10 That's hot! To be able to use all ov this STUPH that you find everywhere. I am juggling monitors myself on my various systems, and LCD hookup data can be fairly obscure. I've got to hit that site again tomorrow so I can read in more detail!
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2003 : 17:35:23 quote: hehehe... picture frames running linux? what ever is next! I want one of those iOpeners! having one or 2 of those with linux would be cool Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" Heh, i wouldn't mind an iOpener to hack as well. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
tmtomh Junior Member USA 172 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2003 : 20:01:17 quote: Its funny how bill gates wants everything to run some form of windows, and the linux camp wants the same thing with their OS. There's a subtle difference actually. Bill Gates wants everything to run Windows, as in "no exceptions." Linux folks, by contrast, just want to get Linux running on everything, as in "Look, you can run Linux on a ____!" M No rank Permanent 68k roommates: - "PowerMystic" Color Classic, 66MHz PPC601 card, full '040, 36/1.2G/enet, OS 8.1 - "Mystic" Color Classic, full '040, 36/700/enet, OS 8.1 - Q605 overclocked to 33MHz, full '040, 36/1.2G/enet, 8.1, Debian Woody
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2003 : 20:06:42 I dont see bill gates making a port of windows Xp for the mac. You can get linux flavors for all the 68k and powerpc macs.
G4from128k Full Member USA 873 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2003 : 04:16:38 quote: There's a subtle difference actually. Bill Gates wants everything to run Windows, as in "no exceptions." Linux folks, by contrast, just want to get Linux running on everything, as in "Look, you can run Linux on a ____!" Very True. And the difference is even more subtle than that. Its not that Bill Gates wants everything out there to run Windows, its that he wants nothing out there that does not run Windows. Actually, its worse than that because its not just an OS war. Its not just Window's platform competitors that get screwed. Their business partners get the shaft anytime Microsoft wants another slice of the technology pie. I suspect that for Gates, the bottom line is the bottom line. IMO, he wants to make money off anyone's and everyone's use of technology. Want a computer, then use Windows XP. Want a PDA, then use PocketPC or TabletPC. Want to surf the web, then get MSN. Want to write a letter, then use MS Word. Want to play a game, get an XBox. And if MS had its way, your cable TV set top box, cell phone, car, washing machine, etc. would all be "Windows-Enfeebled." G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2003 : 08:13:48 Microsoft owns the OS market. For MS to expand its revinue stream it has to get into other markets. Sony jumped into the console market out of nowhere and now all its profits come from there, so why cant MS try the same thing. Apple sells mp3 players and now sells songs online for $.99 each.. what does either of those 2 products have to do with computers? I dont see anything wrong with trying to diversify when you sell a comodoty product, or just want to expand your company to something else thats proficatble. Both MS and apple have purchased other companies when they want their technology. Apple purchased NEXT to get OSX and killed of the x86 port, purchased a big audio software company and closed down its windows based products, etc.
G4from128k Full Member USA 873 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2003 : 09:08:35 quote: Microsoft owns the OS market. Thay also own the applications market. They are working on owning the server market and the PDA market and the game console market and the ...... quote: For MS to expand its revinue stream it has to get into other markets. Sony jumped into the console market out of nowhere and now all its profits come from there, so why cant MS try the same thing. Apple sells mp3 players and now sells songs online for $.99 each.. what does either of those 2 products have to do with computers? Both game consoles and mp3 players are "digital lifestyle" products that both contain and connect to other computers. MS sees Sony as a threat -- Playstation II can easily be a replacement for a home PC (even now, $200 turns it into a networkable linux machine). Where Microsoft's evil intentions will appear will be in making it hard for other consoles to play nice with all the MS-software out their that underpins servers, e-commerce sites, home computers, etc. If XBox integrates perfectly with the entire MS world, and Sony can't get technical info so it can develop interoperable software for Playstation, then soon everyone stops buying Sony and starts buying MS. Its a matter of adhering to open standards versus creating a proprietary codebase that puts all other platforms and application vendors at a disadvantage. I'm sure that MS would like nothing better than than to kill mp3, Quicktime, Real Networks, etc. so that everyone has to use MS Media Player on MS-licensed comptuers and players. That way MS gets a cut on the profits from making content, serving content, and playing content. quote: I dont see anything wrong with trying to diversify when you sell a comodoty product, or just want to expand your company to something else thats proficatble. MS does NOT sell a commodity product -- MS Windows is not invisibly interchangeable with any other OS. The PC vendors (like Dell, Gateway, et al) are in a commodity business because their products are so markedly similar. Likewise, even CPUs are some commoditized between Intel, AMD, and others. But the operating system software and main desktop applications market is owned by Microsoft because only Microsoft can effectively make Microsoft-compatible products. Others can try to interoperate with MS, but they are always at a disadvantage. Bottom line is that MS wants to rule in too many sectors. Worse, it uses its monopolistic control of the desktop to kill competing platforms and application vendors. And with the rise MSN, they will also start trying to kill competing service providers. In fact, as the law is now, there is nothing to stop MSN from preventing its subscribers from accessing parts of the internet. Nothing would stop MSN from extorting money from website owners so that MSN internet users can access those sites. We shall see what happens. G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2003 : 23:11:42 NOOO!!! dont' let MS get to my SERVER MARKET!!! don't get me wrong, windows server 2k3 is NOT that bad... but BOY is OSX.2 server MUCh better or WHAT!!!! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 03 Jul 2003 : 04:46:14 If you want a real server UNIX/Linux is the only way to go. The only time I would start to worry about microsoft is if they purchased the top 2 video card makers, Intel, Dell, a couple tiwanees motherboard makers, a memory chip maker, the top 2 internet providers, hp's printer section,a monitor maker, and maybe maxtor. Then I know that the open pc hardware would be closed and I would be screwed. Untill that happens M$ is just a software vender you dont have to use if you dont want to. As far as the console market goes, M$ can force their product onto consumers because they have no way of doing so. Either you like it for its content or you dont. M$ doesnt own the applications market by a long shot. They have the office suite locked up for now, but thats just a portion of the whole market.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 03 Jul 2003 : 22:35:43 agreed, my server on wintel hardware has been running Debian LInux 3.0, and as much of it as I don't understand (someone else actually set it up) I like it... I really want my server to be a Mac OSX server (just need to get something that'll run OSX server) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 04 Jul 2003 : 07:49:31 Things are changing and right now there is a huge transormation happening and a cold war between multiple companies. So, in the end, we may see things change alot. But almost certianly not for the better.
G4from128k Full Member USA 873 Posts	Posted - 04 Jul 2003 : 16:12:07 quote: The only time I would start to worry about microsoft is if they purchased the top ....... Then I know that the open pc hardware would be closed and I would be screwed. Until that happens M$ is just a software vender you dont have to use if you dont want to. In my opinion, M$ does not have to own any of these companies to control them. Look at all the companies that were unwilling to testify against Microsoft in their antitrust trial. Those companies you mentioned are totally dependent on M$ sharing technical data and working to ensure that their stuff is compatible with Windows. Any company that does not go along with M$ will probably find itself screwed big time. And what is to prevent PCs becoming like XBox -- being hard or illegal to run anything but M$ software? If M$ convinces hardware makers to build in DRM and trusted computing features into CPUs, mobos, graphics cards, HD, etc. then they can just as easily make it very hard to run anything by M$ OS on those devices. And with the Windows market so large and established, what money-hungry vendor wouldn't drop Linux support they same way that they have droped Mac support? Although hackers will find a way to bypass anything M$ or the Trust Computing Group puts into new PCs, it will never be easy. If deM$ing a PC requires buying some illegal mod, not many will attempt it. Linux marketshare will plumment because too few people will go through the aggravation needed to put Linux on a new PC. Maybe some computer geeks will complain, but the majority of corporate buyers and consumers won't care because they just want to run Office, surf the web, or play games. quote: As far as the console market goes, M$ cannot force their product onto consumers because they have no way of doing so. Either you like it for its content or you dont. I agree that M$ cannot "force" consumers to by XBox. But they could easily bribe both consumers and the game makers. M$ is sitting on $46 billion in cash. They can afford to lose lots of money on consoles to help buy market share. So if the next XBox has better performance than the next Playstation because M$ chooses to lose more money per console than Sony is willing to lose, then M$ wins. Creating a new game cost lots of money and a well funded company like M$ could help fund more game development. Thus, they can easily convince game makers to release games first on XBox or even exclusively on XBox. They can also migrate XBox in the PC direction. This makes PC compatibility a big issue for console sales. Want to show your digital pictures on your HDTV or pipe your music collection to the home stereo? Then, you want a console that can access a Windows network, open Windows files, and that works like a Windows application. Want to access web-based entertainment. Then you want a console that can run IE because most websites are developed for IE. Too bad that IE is not available for Playstation and never will be. Thus, other console makers are at a disadvantage since they will never be as compatible with M$. Just look at how Palm's marketshare has slipped and other PDA makers have gone out of business. M$ goes on and on about how WindowsCE, PocketPC, and Tablet PC machines work just like your desktop and have all your "favorite" desktop applications. PC compatibility is an unbeatable competative weapon. quote: M$ doesnt own the applications market by a long shot. They have the office suite locked up for now, but thats just a portion of the whole market. Not yet. But M$ is challenging Oracle in databases and Sun in server software. And M$ is going after business applications markets. I guess they don't own the virus scanner market until Palladium makes virus scanners obsolete. Perhaps they will stay out of the games market until XBox is so dominant, then they won't need independent developers any more. The more I think about M$, the less I trust them. G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent Edited by - G4from128k on 04 Jul 2003 16:15:31
WhizzKid Starting Member 4 Posts	Posted - 10 Jul 2003 : 12:44:59 quote: If you want a real server UNIX/Linux is the only way to go. The only time I would start to worry about microsoft is if they purchased the top 2 video card makers, Intel, Dell, a couple tiwanees motherboard makers, a memory chip maker, the top 2 internet providers, hp's printer section,a monitor maker, and maybe maxtor. Then I know that the open pc hardware would be closed and I would be screwed. Untill that happens M$ is just a software vender you dont have to use if you dont want to. As far as the console market goes, M$ can force their product onto consumers because they have no way of doing so. Either you like it for its content or you dont. M$ doesnt own the applications market by a long shot. They have the office suite locked up for now, but thats just a portion of the whole market. HAHA Ya, if that happened we WOULD be screwed. WhizzKid

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