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Stryder
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Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  09:20:12
I'm just curious, has anyone even asked ~coxy if he even wanted to move the forums? This series of topics flooding the lounge here lately seem to be taking over, but I don't see ~coxy taking much part in the discussion. I'd think that if this was something he really wanted to do, he'd have more input within those threads. Idea's are a fine thing, but it looks more like this is getting pushed on him now and he's too nice to say anything. If I'm wrong, that's great and I'm hopeful of that. It's just that it'd be a shame if this continued and built up an extent of resentment.

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Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  12:32:47
i spoke to him the other night about it ... AFAIK he dosnet have any other hosting ... so unless anyone has a spare T3 line ... and server ... they want to donate then we are stuck with this one

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Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  13:59:42
I somewhere have a server packed... Maybe my brother would let me keep using it (in trade for letting him use the 7300 on and off)

Now just to get broadband (my problem)

I'm all for the MLA switching! just as long as I can keep my newly recovered 2600+ postcount!

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TheDoctor
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Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  14:09:00
How much bandwidth does the 68mla use?

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cory5412
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Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  14:34:29
that's a good question... IIRC it was in excess of a GB/month...

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Gothikon
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537 Posts
Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  15:24:43
The hostings been pretty good for a while now, if changing forum software means changing to a new host I dont see the point.

Besides what is it everybody is so keen to have on the forums that we don't already?

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TheDoctor
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Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  15:31:48
Well, if you are looking to switch hosts, a friend of mine is running a hosting service with very reasonable rates.

http://www.midwestmonitor.com/hosting.html

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Citon X600
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Canada
206 Posts
Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  23:19:31
If anything maybe if we can somehow get a more reliable backup done more often so if something borks out it's not so bad.

It's not really broken per say, so....

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Flash
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Australia
637 Posts
Posted - 23 Jun 2003 :  23:37:58
quote:

Well, if you are looking to switch hosts, a friend of mine is running a hosting service with very reasonable rates.

Yeah, but reasonable rates do not compare to FREE which is what literatureclassics is giving us.

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~Coxy
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Australia
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Posted - 24 Jun 2003 :  05:47:34
True enough, and I don't know many other free services which let you run up decent load averages and huge amounts of transfer per month.

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Christophillis
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USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2003 :  08:36:48
Then we should just stick with literatureclassics. I say that we could let the site go down for at the most a week, to get the new forums all set up. Then we can still have literature classics hosting and the new phpbb forums.

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~tl
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jun 2003 :  10:01:19
i dont think literature classics support php and mysql ... thats why we have this problem

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Posted - 24 Jun 2003 :  19:32:04
LiteratureClassics can run whatever they want: they're runing ASP.

Therefore, we run an ASP-based forum.

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cory5412
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Posted - 24 Jun 2003 :  20:12:59
hehee.... I just found out from dad if I run up a congestion on the whole shared T1 for wireless internet it'll be reduced and/or taken away from us... (per the ISP)

also... I find that it's much more than originally thought and PAF will probably be generally low....

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Posted - 24 Jun 2003 :  20:17:15
~coxy, you've got mail.

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JAaron77
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USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2003 :  20:21:48
quote:

Then we should just stick with literatureclassics. I say that we could let the site go down for at the most a week, to get the new forums all set up. Then we can still have literature classics hosting and the new phpbb forums.

phpbb is great, but it doesn't like to load on my old mac..this forum, the way it is will actually load on a mac IIcx....

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Posted - 24 Jun 2003 :  22:30:06
hehehe... what browser are you using?

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The Balance Of Judgement
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Posted - 25 Jun 2003 :  07:02:28
If anything, the main problem with this forum is it's use of MS Access (I Believe) which is not a database which does good under high load. I read about it and it really eats up CPU time when the load is high. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to get the database converted to SQL so that performance is better.

I have a Microsoft SQL Server 6.5 License I can send to Literature Classics if they need it. But from what I can tell the site runs from Access.

With SQL we could get better speed and more backup options and less chance things will go wrong. This would work better in the frame of resources that the MLA has.

Coxy, let me know if Literature Classics wants the license if you want to switch to SQL. The Discs have been sitting around for a bit and I don't use them.

But, although earlier I thought it might be cool to go to phpBB or Invision, I think it's not really needed right now.

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maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts
Posted - 25 Jun 2003 :  07:19:56
Agreed, Balance of Judgement.

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Flash
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Posted - 25 Jun 2003 :  07:37:11
It's probably not our forum causing the problems - it could quite easily be one of the other sites hosted on the server. One server with multiple databases - now that's a problem!

Here's what i think it boils down to. It's not the software, because if we do make a change to phpbb (or any other format) I will bet my right testicle that we experience similar borkouts - especially during the teething period. I think the main problem is that we do not have effective control of the server, and never will have. It's not like ~coxy can reach over reboot the box, and he probably doesn't have enough admin access to be able to set up scripts that will auto backup the data every 30 minutes (minimising lost posts should the server sh*t itself) I realise that there's ways and means of getting around that.... but it's a FREE service - what do we expect!!!!

Now we could all pitch in a dollar or two each, and that would probably pay for a years hosting with someone (possibly) more reliable. But that would mean that either:
1) someone would have to turn the MLA into a legal entity and start taking subscriptions from everyone. Collection of monies is a serious issue, there's a lot of infrastructure required to set that up. It would be a right pain in the arts collecting $2 of various denominations off everyone, so if we made the fee to join a more sensible amount (say $20) then MLA might become a full subscription service where you have to pay before becoming a member - who wants that? How many members do you think we'd lose in one fell swoop? And then there are a lot of kids who are members and they don't necessarily have the means to make online transactions anyway.
2) a few members put together their pennies and pay for hosting for the benifit of the majority who have not paid a cent. Not entirely fair on those who paid to set it up - however if someone want to do it then go ahead......

It breaks down once in a while and we lose some threads and our precious personal post count drops. IT'S FREE, GET OVER IT!

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maclover5
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5830 Posts
Posted - 25 Jun 2003 :  07:43:47
Agreed, Flash. If we did switch to a service that required us to subscribe, I would definately have to reconsider my membership here as a broke college student, with limited funds. But ah well, that ain't gonna happen, thank god!

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~tl
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Posted - 25 Jun 2003 :  07:49:14
yeah ... i agree ... snitz may not be the best ... but its better than nothing

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Posted - 25 Jun 2003 :  13:41:42
if mySQL is freer and uses less server processor time we can convice LitClassics to convert to that and use PHPbb, Ikonboard or other good forums

Ikonboard is a forum that'll do ASP or CGi based and will work basicsally in the same way as with snitz here... I believe that Ikonboard can even use the current database (MS access, MSSQL or MySQL)

IkonBoard also has personal messages, and other more options...

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shaktiman
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Posted - 25 Jun 2003 :  14:00:56
Well we have had some bad experiences with posts dissapearing & the forums being offline. The service isn't A1 but it is decent considering it's free.

It sounds like it is worthwhile to keep our eyes peeled in case there is a better deal.

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Posted - 25 Jun 2003 :  14:13:20
true... I believe that none of us dislike the current forum system, but we know that there are betters (anything but yabb I'd think)

the dillema is finding something that works with the current host (LiteratureClassics) and that works BETTER with our current host...

I believe that we might be able to get a good hosting if we stop borkingout over the domain so much... pop in a .tk and just know that it'll keep itself alive and we can renew it once the year or whatever is over...

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~tl
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Posted - 26 Jun 2003 :  11:03:25
.tks dont need to be renewed ... as long as you have over 30 visitors every 90 days then it stays active

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Posted - 26 Jun 2003 :  20:13:39
that's what I thought... I just couldn't remember the exact details

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stonent
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Posted - 26 Jun 2003 :  20:24:52
Well these forums use ASP which usually indicates IIS. Most of the other forums today use PHP, I use phpbb2 and find it very well supported. You can even get a free account at lycos.co.uk that includes 50mb space with mysql and php support. I run a forum there.

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Posted - 26 Jun 2003 :  20:45:49
If I recall Ikonboard works and looks very similarly to PHPbb2 and supports the use of ASP and Access....
www.ikonboard.com

Ikonboard also supports showing who's celebrating their birthday!!!
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it's just a thought... personally I think it's a good one

yeah... http://pragma.mooo.com/personalforum/

check it out.. my own PHPBB2 forum... (online when I am!)

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Gothikon
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Posted - 27 Jun 2003 :  04:03:14
I still haven;t heard what is so bad about the current forum software?

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Posted - 27 Jun 2003 :  23:06:33
hehehe... personal messages, general reliability, better aesthetics... it's all there

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Posted - 28 Jun 2003 :  00:41:20
quote:

I still haven;t heard what is so bad about the current forum software?

it dies regularly

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Posted - 28 Jun 2003 :  06:33:21
quote:

quote:

I still haven;t heard what is so bad about the current forum software?

it dies regularly

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That's about it. Plus, it makes Netscape 3 chuck a hissy fit. Other than that, it's ok.

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