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llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:03:43 I GOT THEM!!! IBM Personal System/2 Model 55 LS - Intel 80386SX processor - 60 megabyte harddrive - 3.5" floppy drive (1.44 meg) - 36mb RAM IBM Personal System/2 Model 30 - Intel 8086 microprocessor - 20 megabyte harddrive - 3.5" floppy drive (720k) - 4 to 5 mb RAM Two IBM Personal System/2 Color Monitors One IBM Personal System/2 keyboard with the COOLEST sproingy clackety keys (but its all borkulated, the "h" and "g" and many other keys are screwed up) ------- When i booted the Model 55 LS, i got a 301 error code, but then when i attached my gateway kb and mouse and popped in my reference disk, ran the tests, and it works fine now. It's loaded with DOS (didnt check which version, i'm assuming 5.0) and Windows 3.1 and has Quicken, Word 2.0, and some fancy (for 1991) engraving software. I booted the Model 30, and it shows a floppy drive being loaded... so im making a reference disk now and i hope to have it running tomorrow. ------ These computers are the first liberations of the Personal System/2 Liberation Army! All Microchannel computers will be welcomed with open arms. Lets hear from all of our MLA brethren who also have a thing for PS/2! ________________________ Llamasonics Analogue Synthesis Technologies. PS/2's Liberated: 1 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:17:12 hehe I have an IBM PS/1!!! hey you could almost run 95 on that 55!!! just more hard drive space and you'll be set! people say that it needs a 486... but there've been people who get it to work on a 386... the snotloads of RAM will make it not too bad ;) OS/2 would be cool on those too!!! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:35:58 I once put 95 onto a 386 with 8 megs of RAM. It was sssssssslllllllllooooooooooowwwwwwww. It might be ok with the amount of RAM you have though! Have fun! "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:37:39 yeah the 55 ran an engraver, so it had to have buttloads of RAM... i bet if you wanted to you could run Win98 on 36 megs... but a 386? theres no way in hell... anybody know how to make a high-density 3.5" floppy a low-density 3.5" floppy? i need one to make a reference disk for the model 30... ________________________ Llamasonics Analogue Synthesis Technologies. PS/2's Liberated: 1 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition! Edited by - llamaboy487 on 05 Jun 2003 22:38:39
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:39:34 How does an engraver need tons of RAM? "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:41:33 hehehe... I had 95 on a 66 MHz 486 with only 4 MB of RAm I had to turn off LOTS of junk... but it ran!! it was kinda slow though and in general 95 just can't beat a good installation of NT (any version) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:42:50 how does win95 or winNT handle VGA monitors? would it be ok? i really want to use the original monitors with these, just for accuracy's sake... ________________________ Llamasonics Analogue Synthesis Technologies. PS/2's Liberated: 1 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:52:00 quote: How does an engraver need tons of RAM? To load all of the stuff into the spool and the printing Queue and stuff like that, storing large image files in RAM isnt easy... ________________________ Llamasonics Analogue Synthesis Technologies. PS/2's Liberated: 1 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:57:04 Yeah, 95 and NT handle VGA monitors OK. Don't expect to get resolutions above 640x480 though. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:59:39 95 and NT4(and below) are great at VGA resolution... although neither of you r systems will handle NT4, I hear that there's a way you can use the new style 95/NT4 UI with NT 3.5... which would be UBERCOOL!!! yeah... neither OS looks that BAD in 16 colors either... so it's pretty cool either way you take that boat Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 22:59:43 640x480 is great, considering it a 12" monitor anyway... ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 23:12:19 yup! do you have a monitor with 2 cords, one for vga and one for power to the computer? I have one like that... the PS/1 monitor.. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 23:24:48 quote: yup! do you have a monitor with 2 cords, one for vga and one for power to the computer? I have one like that... the PS/1 monitor.. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" yep. ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 23:27:57 is there ANYWHERE where i can download a pre-Warp version of OS/2? actually will Warp 3 run on a 386, and if so where can i download it? WHERE IS OS/2 ON THE INTERNET/FTP/HOTLINE/GNUTELLA? ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 06:48:12 Ahhh, an 8086... brings back memories... Sopwith... Ultima 6... Gretzky Hockey... =D All in glorious white and purple and cyan. CGA kicked ass. I ran Warp on... tries to rememmer Oh balls. It was whatever the power saving version of the 386 was. 386LT, something like that? Anyways, it was a 386LT/25 laptop with 6mb of RAM, and it wasn't bad.It was the first comp I ran Warp on. =P Served me loyally for two years until the screen died, because it was a cheap laptop. =P It was a shock the first time I plugged an external monitor into it, because it was also the first computer I had that had VGA. =P Going from grayscale and CGA to 16-bit colour was... very wow. =D And yes, IBM old-school keyboards rock, I found one in a dumpster and stuck it on my parents' comp and now they won't give it back. =( I WANT IBM CLICKY GOODNESS! --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 06:50:01 And... I guess I'll get to work re-imaging Warp. ;) --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 07:14:03 quote: How do I make a DD Floppy with a HD Floppy Cover the HD indicator hole with tape. If the computer says the disk is write protected, you picked the wrong hole. quote: What version of Windows runs on this... MSDOS--------------8086-----------512KB Ram----No HD Win 3.11 Enhcd-----386sx16Mhz-----2MB Ram------8 MB HD Win 95-------------386DX 20Mhz----4 MB Ram-----40 MB HD Win NT wkst--------486dx 33MHz----12 MB Ram----120MB HD Win NT srvr--------486ds 33Mhz----16MB Ram-----130MB HD The system requirements for Win3.1 real mode are lower. I don't remember what WinNT 3.x requires but it is probably less also. Another point: VGA spec is 640x480x8bit color. Resolutions above that are not really VGA despite what everyone says. If nobody else digs up the specs for OS/2, I'll find them. OS/2 1.x does not have a graphical interface and run on 286 or better I believe. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 08:02:20 quote: How do I make a DD Floppy with a HD Floppy You can also just format a HD as a DD. Just use FORMAT /F:720 If the PS/2's floppy gets confused, you could just try the tape trick, too. Then again, you could always use actual 720k disks. The Lightning Stalker Performa 631CD, 7.5.5 LC III Mail Server Q610 Q650 6400/180 40/1.6G/512k L2/enet/video-in/TV 7600/120 '604/233, 80/1.2G & 4G, 9.2.2 (Main Mac) Lady Smith Apples: Apple IIc 5.25" 2 Apple IIe
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 08:21:43 quote: You can also just format a HD as a DD. Just use FORMAT /F:720 What version of DOS did that show up in? I was thinking Version 6.x. I didn't put that out because I couldn't remember how far back it went. For that matter, you can format a HD in a DD drive and you will get a DD disk. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 09:48:20 well... im gonna try the tape thing first, since i'll be mking this disk on a WinXP box... and i was wrong about my RAM figures... i was being a dumbass and for a second thought 100kb=1mb... the real RAM figures: - Model 55 LS: 4mb - Model 30: 640k and the 20mb seagate hard drive in the model 30 sounds like a lawnmower while its spinning up and spinning down; in between it hums nicely like an old hard drive should... i get a "1790 Fixed Disk Error" on startup and it launched into IBM Basic from ROM when i hit F1... but i'll get it fixed. ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 09:50:03 Heh, what interface is the hard drive? Prolly MFM iGuess, judging by the age of the thing... "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:00:54 iDunno, i think its IDE... anybody know? heh i found out last nite that if you take off the cosmetic covers over the drive slots, you can push on a tab and slide the drives right out! It was very useful, as cleaned 10+ years of dust out of the floppy drives and slid out the 30's hard drive to make sure it wasnt borkulated before i re-attached it to the computer... oh and i defragged the 60mb drive in the model 55LS and it took 90 seconds i wish WindowsXP was that fast at defragging; it takes me about 48 hours to defrag now... ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:01:26 actually, IIRC, the entire PS/2 line of computers used the IDE standard for hard drives. the drives plug directly into the MCA card in slot #1. I have OS/2 2.0 on floppies (20, to be exact) and it is really cool. it has a Windows 3.1 emulation layer, and kicks ass in general. If you want a copy, send me floppies, and I'll copy it for you over the summer have fun with your new toys. CCC Commander Promotion: 19 Mar 2003� 13:06:30 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, an SE/30, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:09:56 is there any way you can rip images from the floppies? i dont know about shipping you a big crate of floppies i forgot to mention that my Model 30 came with a very nice MCA card to have: a 2400 baud modem! it sure beats the hell out of my ADSL connection, not to mention my Linksys wireless router... or even by Global Villages 36.6 ADB modem for that matter ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:16:01 HAR!� "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:21:21 quote: Heh, what interface is the hard drive? Prolly MFM iGuess, judging by the age of the thing... The original PS/2s use ESDI drives. Then they migrated to SCSI after that. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:25:24 quote: actually, IIRC, the entire PS/2 line of computers used the IDE standard for hard drives. the drives plug directly into the MCA card in slot #1. Sorry, the first ones were ESDI then they used SCSI. There may have been an IDE model PS/2 but I don't remember one. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:30:03 quote: heh i found out last nite that if you take off the cosmetic covers over the drive slots, you can push on a tab and slide the drives right out! The original PS/2 models can be disassembled without tools. When you open the case you should find a small plastic thing in the front left-hand corner that can be used to unlock the plastic snaps that hold the computer together. The original PS/2 concept really was a great improvement over the PC design. Too bad the design didn't sell better. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:52:36 quote: quote: Heh, what interface is the hard drive? Prolly MFM iGuess, judging by the age of the thing... The original PS/2s use ESDI drives. Then they migrated to SCSI after that. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER! Ah yes, I remember that now. I forgot about those big@$$ 80 meg IBM SCSI drives from the PS/2s! I borrowed one from one of my PC friends back in 2000 that got circulated around between the LCII, LCIII, and LC475 as a boot device. Blasted full height bugger made it so that the case wouldn't fit back on properly...but that wasn't a problem with the LC475, aka the Hackintosh! "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 20:10:50 its definietly not IDE, i picked up a 425mb IDE hard drive today (also free from work) and its not anything like the cables and attachments in the PS/2... has anybody made disk images from their OS/2 install disks? ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 20:40:29 heheh... My IBM PS/1 you can slip the cover off of the front and that's basically encompassing of every user servicable part inside... inclusive of this CUTE little RAM chip that ups the memory from like... 512k to 1 MB (iThink) I thought that NT 4 workstation needed 16 MB too? ohwell I learn something new every day iGuess! so in the PS/1 the hard drive is IDE (iThink) but it connects with this WEIRD inferface (kinda like a performa SlotHDD) that gives it IDE and it's power.. Maybe that's yer interface... sorry about the RAM though ;) 36 MB would have ROCKED!!! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 22:19:29 well, im about to give up on the Model 30. It appears that it is too borken to continue operation, so i'm leaning towards retiring it. It will remain in my house, next to the model 55, with its monitor... but it doesnt work.. Actually, i did get it to boot into IBM BASIC from ROM, but the hard drive is screwed up somehow. ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
QuadraJets Junior Member USA 344 Posts	Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 08:01:32 I do have a 20 meg drive for a model 30 laying in my garage, that works. if u want it, its free. I'll also throw in a 1.4mb drive for the model 30 Artillery Commander/Engineer, 68kMLA Liberated: LCII , III+, IIci, Q700, 800, and 840av, P550, 410 Contraband: Beige G3/300 MT o/c 400mhz, (2) 6100's Hotline mirror server: 68k.dyndns.org
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 19:33:38 quote: I do have a 20 meg drive for a model 30 laying in my garage, that works. if u want it, its free. I'll also throw in a 1.4mb drive for the model 30 hmm... if you want to pay the shipping, thats great i'm very broke... hang on to it though, when i get some $$$ i might ask you about them again ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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