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oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 14:31:28 My next-door neighbors are moving, and they gave me their old 486/66 PC. I'd like to get Windows off of the stupid thing. The problem is the CD-ROM drive, which is some ancient 34-pin Sony with a proprietary ISA interface card. Does anyone know of any alternative operating systems that might support it? Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 15:25:43 Oh great........one of THOSE! Maybe Linux might support it? "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
G4from128k Full Member USA 873 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 15:35:11 3 lame ideas: 1. Any chance of getting Linux install files on to a second IDE HD that can be put inside the thing? 2. Can you get a different CD-ROM? 3. See if http://tiny.seul.org/en/index.html helps. (It's a tiny Linux that can be installed from 12 floppies) Hope you can chunk Windows out itself. G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 16:47:47 is the cdrom connected to the sound card? post the part number to the card and i can look up who made it and maybe find drivers for it. A 486/66 makes a good DOS game rig, or can be used for OS/2, a very fast win 3.11 box, Desqview/X, or a flavor of linux.
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 17:03:09 Yeah, Linux should support it. =P Some install disk or another will have the prop card drivers on it. And from there you can just install from the CD-ROM. I love old 486s, they have the weirdest stuff in them. I bought a 486 mobo once just because it came with an ATI Mach32 VL-bus card. =D (And an ISA Etherlink III without the backplate, which I still use in emergencies.) If you want to use OS/2 on it, I still have the Warp 3 CD-ROM and boot disks around. =) Somewhere. --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 17:35:44 Either way, if you can't get it to go, there's tons and tons of IDE CD ROMs in this world that'll just use any driver, and are much faster, that you can get from almost any PC shop. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
FireWire is fast General, 4 star USA 1559 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 17:35:58 OPENSTEP (or NeXTSTEP 486) Hey Doomed, if you can find that OS/2 Warp 3 stuff, I'm sure the 68k MLA Hotline server would love it have it (once it becomes fully operational again) -------------------- master of the Quadra/Centris Stick of Justice™ and figure-head of the Peoples' PDS Republic --------------------
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 17:42:25 I have the original OS/2 warp 3 cd's in both versions (red spine box is just os/2, blue spine cd is oS/2 and windows 3.1) I also have the Original Desquview/x boxes (version 1 and 2)which multitask dos and windows 3.1 apps and allows X windows to run on your pc at the same time (its a GUI OS) If anybody is interested
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 18:06:15 Mine's blue spine. I found it at Value Village for $5. =P Shrink-wrapped, no less. I'm real short on HD space right now so I can't make an image of the CD, but I should be getting a few gigs in the next few days. But I guess it doesn't matter too much since the HL servers are out. =P Any ETA on them coming back? This LC had ClarisWorks on it when it got here, except I blew away the hard drive thinking it'd be better with a clean start and I could find Claris later. Except I can't. =D --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
QuadraJets Junior Member USA 344 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 18:59:49 quote: But I guess it doesn't matter too much since the HL servers are out. um, my server is working fine, i think there are a few outdated links floating around on the MLA site. The address of my server is: 68k.dyndns.org Artillery Commander/Engineer, 68kMLA Liberated: LCII , III+, IIci, Q700, 800, and 840av, P550, 410 Contraband: Beige G3/300 MT o/c 400mhz, (2) 6100's Hotline mirror server: 68k.dyndns.org
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 19:38:55 crazy old 486s' are great! what is the make/model of this "crazy old 486" I've found that the craziest old 486's are the ones that come straight from IBM... This Gateway I've seen was pretty crazy also.... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 19:57:51 quote: OPENSTEP (or NeXTSTEP 486) NS/OS will crawl on this, and the crappy Cirrus Logic video card doesn't have enough VRAM for 16 bit color at 1024x768. Plus, I already have an NS/OS box. It's a custom-built PC bought from a place here in town. I'd love to try OS/2! Maybe it will work better on a real 486 than it did on VPC when I tried it. Would it support the Windoze driver for the CD-ROM? I'd love to do the Linux thing, but I don't think it'll work without a bootdisk with proper drivers. I tried QNX (RTP v6) already, and it can't find the CD-ROM. I could borrow a CD-ROM from one of my other peecees if necessary to get something installed; I'd like to be able to put the old one back in and have it work, though. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 20:20:01 quote: um, my server is working fine, i think there are a few outdated links floating around on the MLA site. The address of my server is: 68k.dyndns.org Hmm, every time I've tried any of them (includin that one) it's timed out. Ah well, I shall try again, thanks for the info. =) --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 20:43:33 use a normal IDE CD drive and hook it in the chain with your hard drive... the soundcard/cd drive thing seems like it's the ONLY "oddball thing" Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 21:58:29 Yeah. Otherr than that it sounds like a standard 486 "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
redrouteone Junior Member USA 226 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 22:01:36 OS/2 should run great on that box. Back in the day I ran OS/2 Warp V3 on my 386DX40. I had either 6 or 8MB of ram, but it ran like a champ. The great thing about OS/2 was that I still could use my Windows programs. I still have it on Floppies, and I still have OS/2 2.1 on CD-ROM also. I wanted OS/2 Warp version 4 so bad but I just never could come up with the money for it. Its ashamed that it died it was a great OS. Had it not been IBMed it could have stopped Microsoft dead in their tracks. Life is like Jeopardy you have all the answers, you just need the questions.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2003 : 22:09:51 hehe... NT4 workstation ran GREAT on my 486/66 with 24 MB of RAM and about a 300 MB hard drive... the slowest part was installation, and when it was "getting going" other than that it was a perfectly acceptable desktop platform for garage-computing Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 27 May 2003 : 09:15:28 quote: I have the original OS/2 warp 3 cd's in both versions (red spine box is just os/2, blue spine cd is oS/2 and windows 3.1) I also have the Original Desquview/x boxes (version 1 and 2)which multitask dos and windows 3.1 apps and allows X windows to run on your pc at the same time (its a GUI OS) If anybody is interested I am! Any chance this could appear on a Hotline server somewhere? The Lightning Stalker Performa 631CD, 7.5.5 LC III Mail Server Q610 Q650 6400/180 40/1.6G/512k L2/enet/video-in/TV 7600/120 '604/233, 80/1.2G & 4G, 9.2.2 (Main Mac) Lady Smith Apples: Apple IIc 5.25" 2 Apple IIe
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 27 May 2003 : 11:11:22 I have OS/2 2.0 on twenty floppies, it is a great OS!!! It comes with an compatability layer for Windows 3.1, so is vewry interesting. anyway... CCC Commander Promotion: 19 Mar 2003 13:06:30 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, an SE/30, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
Slomac636 Junior Member USA 103 Posts	Posted - 27 May 2003 : 13:02:37 I had an old Packard-Bell 486/100 with Red Hat v.6 on it, it had the same type of weird CD-Rom set up on it. It only had 1 Mb of video RAM so it didn't look pretty, but it did work. Your best bet is an old Linux flavor or OS/2 cause the newer Linux(es?) are bloaty, like most OS's these days. It was fun to play with but I didn't keep it for long, I gave it away to a friend who still has it. (That was 2 yrs ago!) Macs Liberated: 9 - 6400/180 (main Mac), 660AV, 636CD, LCIII+, LCII (2), Classic II, Classic and SE. See my system: www.pbase.com/image/9129025
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 27 May 2003 : 13:39:27 Alright, so as not to suck up anyone else's bandwidth, I tossed up my own Hotline server (ooooh), so whoever wants to snag OS/2 (Warp 3 Connect, I'd forgotten it was Connect - if that makes a difference), can. 505.no-ip.org, l/p os2. There's two floppy images and an ISO, about 260mb. Have fun. =) --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 27 May 2003 : 20:45:46 heh.... what's the login/password??? I can't get it to work! :drool: that'd be cool in VPC! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 27 May 2003 : 21:08:42 I'd tell you, but you already know. ;) Server: 505.no-ip.org Login: os2 Password: os2 (That should stand out better. =D) --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 27 May 2003 : 21:12:40 heh... thanks, I figured it all out though... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 28 May 2003 : 10:57:43 Remote host refused connection
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 28 May 2003 : 13:02:11 S'alright now, I had to reboot Windows for some reason or another and didn't restart the server. Bad Doomed. --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 29 May 2003 : 09:40:57 Can you make a .sfv file for the ISO so I know I got it okay? You can get QuickSFV v2.22 at http://zarius.com/quicksfv/qsfv222.zip if you don't have it already. Just in case you don't know what it does, it calculates CRC and then puts it in a .sfv file. It's very usefull for long downloads.
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 29 May 2003 : 12:35:23 No problem. Done and on the server. =) --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 31 May 2003 : 06:57:26 Thanks, Doomed!
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 31 May 2003 : 10:29:45 No problem. =) Server's down now, I'm rebooting too much on the PC fiddling with these new HDs. They'll be tamed eventually. --- What's the ugliest part of your body?
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 31 May 2003 : 22:08:55 hehehe... taming HDs is fun! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 01 Jun 2003 : 02:09:07 Sure is! *NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 01 Jun 2003 : 06:05:36 Server's down again
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 19:25:00 I still don't have that .sfv file. Anyone else have it? Otherwise, I'll have to burn the image on faith that the file is without errors. Thanks for putting that image up, though. I've been looking for that for a long time. Now I just need Warp 4!
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 20:10:41 It's without errors. I downloaded and burned the image, and it works great on that 486. The CD-ROM turned out to be attached through a Sound Blaster clone ISA card, and OS/2 wouldn't install until I removed a second Sound Blaster from the system. It's nice to have the machine running something other than Windoze, but I really can't stand OS/2. It seems as cryptic and confusing as Windows 3.1. I really don't see what the fuss is all about. I figured out the NeXTSTEP interface the first time I tried it, but after a couple hours of fiddling with OS/2, I still can't figure it all out. The command line is unusual, and even with HPFS everything still has 8.3 filenames. Maybe I'll put NeXTSTEP on it. It'll feel slow, but at least it will make sense. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 20:24:00 heh... dos and windows 3 are confusing to you?? you feel my pain with things like OSX and most other unixies... I understand nearly all of the profound things about DOS... *usually Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 21:28:02 I suggest you dump Windows 3 imeediately. If you need Windows, get Win95. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 01:38:15 Windows 3.11 on a p2 or k6 system runs like a speed demon
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 01:51:59 Indeed. Take it from someone who's been there. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 16:42:11 quote: It's without errors. I downloaded and burned the image, and it works great on that 486 Just because you downloaded it without errors doesn't mean that everyone else's downloaded without errors too. That's what QuickSFV is for - in case your modem hiccups and the file is corrupted.
Doomed Starting Member Canada 26 Posts	Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 18:19:09 Sorry LS, I've spent the last two days shuttling equipment around and ditching Windows. Unfortunately I lost all the image files and the .sfv due to blowing away the wrong partition. =\ (It's rough, juggling three multipart hard drives in one machine. Bleh.) If you want to wait til tomorrow, when I either figure out how to grab images under Linux or install Windows on hard drive #4 =P I can make a new one for you. I don't know if it'll have the same CRC though. I want to put Linux on the 475, but it's got that brain-cancer-afflicted 68LC040 in it still. >=( --- What's the ugliest part of your body?

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