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Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 11:28:21 The last few hours have been spent installing OSX server onto my 8600/G3 It has been a slow but succesful process. I am thinking I might ditch the installation though, coz it runs so slowly. I mean, it actually serves and fileshares at an OK speed. But actually using the Mac - well that's another story! Click on something......wait.....something opens.....wait......do something...wait.... Just minimizing a window to the dock takes about 4-8 seconds for that funky 'window shrinkdown' to happen. Talk about slow and painful! Well anyway I've just looked behind me at the Mac which is supposed to be rebooting (I'm on the PC right now) and it has just had it's first kernel panic and it's busy dumping debug infoirmation. grrrr! What do you reckon? Am I kidding myself trying to run OSX on the 8600? - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
foetoid Full Member USA 554 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 11:33:42 quote: What do you reckon? Am I kidding myself trying to run OSX on the 8600? Yes, now give me X server!!!! ________________ foetoid, that's (fee-toy-duh) http://www.foetoid.doesntexist.com
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 11:35:51 well if I wasn't on dialup... anyhow seeing as this kernel crap is not working for me right now and it's like 4:30 in the morning I'm going to bed! Edited by - flash on 21 May 2003 11:45:03
Alien Junior Member Netherlands 269 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 12:16:02 Ditch the GUI, it'll run fine. ,xtG .tsooJ -- who \| grep -i blonde \| date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep
Da Penguin Senior Member USA 1094 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 12:35:12 What version of os x server is it? (and if it is new and legal grr you! ;) ) How much ram is in the 8600? On older macs this makes all the difference. <plug> My copy of os x server 1.1 is legal and runs fine on older hardware and is for sale </plug> There are also utilities to get rid of the extra "candy" of newer versions ~The Penguin \| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line \| \| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy \| \| "The choice has been made, but now you must understand it" \|
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 20:57:38 heh... how much penguin? I've been looking for a good time on my 7300! (the 7300 has 64 MB of RAM) I would really likeif I could get 10.2 or 10.3 server for an early g4 or late g3 Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 21:07:38 yes - it's a legal version (10.0.something) I purchased it for a company coz I support their local network (I set up an iMac server which gets used for filesharing between Macs and PC's as well as running Filemaker server - no web serving or ftp, we'll probably set up another iMac at some stage...) I've got 352 MB of RAM on the 8600 but I think it's the bus speed which is letting me down. - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 21:19:00 cool.... I ran 10.2 server on my iMac 233 with 96 MB of RAM.... I would do it again except I really didn't have a big enough hard drive to do anything much... the iMac would make a great IW 4.0/5.0 Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 21:23:14 yeah, you need 1.2gig just to load the OS, let alone putting some files on there for sharing/serving - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 21:55:21 quote: yes - it's a legal version (10.0.something) I purchased it for a company coz I support their local network (I set up an iMac server which gets used for filesharing between Macs and PC's as well as running Filemaker server - no web serving or ftp, we'll probably set up another iMac at some stage...) I've got 352 MB of RAM on the 8600 but I think it's the bus speed which is letting me down. Nice! Is it that kewl version from like 1999 that looked like Rhapsody? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:04:04 I'm not sure. I don't have the original disks/manuals with me (it's at the office) We purchased X server and a G4/733 early last year in some kind of ex-demo deal that we did with the local Mac shop for about $6000. I'm taking a look at XPostFacto now - anybody know what the 'throttle' settings are all about? I'm not too sure about command line either - never used it and I'm a little scared In any case i'd rather have the GUI coz I want to be able to work (play!) on the Mac while it's serving - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:06:02 when in doubt, read the instructions Xpost documentations say that I will get a kernel panic after installation and to fix it..... - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:12:28 that's what 10.0.something is... actually I believe the rhaplooking one was Mac OS X server version 1.0 there was a 2.0 also methinks, then it was 10.1 and 10.2 (I have 10.2) yeah... iMac has a 4 gig drive... but 10 gig or higher seems to be the pref on the IW... I sometimes do hosting for other people... (maybe not with the iMac though) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:21:14 WooHoo! I'm posting this from the 8600 on OSX. The kernel panic has gone away, and I am now running at a moderate (but still slow) speed. At least it's almost bearable now oh yeah, it's 10.0.3 I might throw some updates at it.... - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic Edited by - flash on 21 May 2003 22:27:39
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:29:39 congradulations! remember, the computer is slowest when it'sbooting up and warming up.. as you start doing things over again and if you leave it on, it'll be pretty good... I don't mind if a computer takes 10 minutes to boot, because I know that usually it'll be very fast when it's ready for me to use it... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:32:04 I don't think 10.0 is the Rhaplike one. Ah well. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1 Edited by - maclover5 on 21 May 2003 22:32:26
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:35:01 ther was a rhaplike OSX server... it wasn't a 10.x version though... I said it was mac OS X server 1.0 and 2.0, not OSX server 10.1 and 10.2 dunno about this 10.0.0.3 or whatever it is.... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:37:07 Yes, i KNOW there was a Rhaplike one! Thats what i asked! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:40:47 This is cool. It just loaded into classic and I'd never actually seen a Mac do that before (I never bothered on the office server coz all it does is sit in the corner and serve - no one actaully uses the machine) I am feeling somewhat better about wasting so much time on this project now that it seems to be working - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:42:32 Cool! What are the Aqua special FX and stuff like? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:42:54 heh... yeah... Originally I wanted to be able to use the IW as a gen. purpowe workstationalso... but I've grown and now know that the iMac woudl't be able to do that... and always the IW is in inconveneint places... (like across town) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 22:59:25 quote: Cool! What are the Aqua special FX and stuff like? OK, call me dumb - but what's Aqua? Also Cory, what's IW? Classic is running a treat - I can open Photoshop and it's not too slow. I was thinking about ditching this OS but now I'm having so much fun I want to put it on all my computers (pity my other computers are a Celery 700 or 68k Macs, however there is a 6100 laying around here somewhere....) Now I'm off to set up the QT server - gonna stream something to my PC... looks like no work is going to get done today - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 21 May 2003 : 23:34:57 1. Aqua: (Ackua), The GUI that OS X uses 2. IW: (Eye-Double-You), Intrikit Weaver, Cory's server project -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 22 May 2003 : 00:14:23 Oh that Aqua. Well yes I do like the GUI, but then I've seen that before while setting up the office server. - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
Da Penguin Senior Member USA 1094 Posts	Posted - 22 May 2003 : 04:09:10 The Version I have, 1.1, is the rhapsody-like one. It served me well, but was too old to cover all the areas I needed in just one server solution. I also don't know nix enough to use it well. <plug>It is going for $70 shipped 48 states if anyone is interested</plug> ~The Penguin \| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line \| \| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy \| \| "The choice has been made, but now you must understand it" \|
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 22 May 2003 : 21:01:54 IW stands for Intrikit Weaver, but yeah that's how we do pronounce it (thanks ML5 ) I would take you up on your offer penguin, but that's too much for a wee bit too old I am planning on running 10.2 server on my iMac as IW5 eventually. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 22 May 2003 : 21:24:40 I reckon it's a great deal - remember how much it cost new? it's not abandonware....yet - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 22 May 2003 : 21:28:10 It was a few hundred bucks, right? I know that the Macintosh Server G3 that it came with cost many thousands of dollars though. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 22 May 2003 : 21:31:15 i thought it was more like a grand - - - - - - - - - - - - - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it sure beats a blank stare for starting a conversation. 68k ParaMedic
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 22 May 2003 : 21:54:53 heh... $499 for ten client and $999 for unlimited client are the current prices... methinks it was like $799 and $1299 before... something like that also, I simply don't have $70 with which to buy OSX server from you penguin Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Da Penguin Senior Member USA 1094 Posts	Posted - 23 May 2003 : 03:54:07 Yesh, it cost me a good deal of money to get, even on ebay, and I have seen the price of $500-1000 several times as well. (but that IS the newer version, but still). It really is a just plain cool OS, because you can see all the elements transitioning to OSX we have now. One of my favourite things is how they kept the key assignment right. (ex: cmd-n makes new folder, cmd-shift-n makes new window) ~The Penguin \| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line \| \| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy \| \| "The choice has been made, but now you must understand it" \|
Master of Puppets Starting Member 32 Posts	Posted - 23 May 2003 : 18:43:02 Small Dog has it for $250 + shipping, so $70 is more than fair. I'd buy it, but I already have 2 copies. And its faster than 10.1 on my iMac, a lot faster.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 23 May 2003 : 19:51:47 hehe... yeah I can imagine how it'd be faster... 10.1 was generally... "not very good" and 10.2 improves effeciency alot.. server X version 1 and 2 are smaller than 10.1 and .2 Remembering all this stuff is like a game Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"

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