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SpaceBoy
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USA
631 Posts
Posted - 14 May 2003 :  18:32:36
Well, it's come down to this: Every month since I first got my beloved PowerBook G4/500mHz, I've been getting deeper and deeper into debt with MBNA (the folks who financed my AppleLoan). The loan started out at around $1,900, but now a year-and-a-half since I got this thing, my loan balance is just about $2,700 and climbing at 24% interest all too quickly. They're hounding me to pay it all back as quickly as possible (woke me up at 7:15am this morning), and I'm ruining my (newly created) credit rating by being slow/late with my recent payments.
So, at this point, my only options are to start selling things, in the hopes of raising enough money to pay back the entire amount of the loan. The principal items I can sell are my 'new' VW Jetta, which may fetch around $1000, my clamshell iBook, which could pull in another $400 - $500 on eBay, my old coin collection, which I have no idea as to value (it's mainly hundreds and hundreds of foreign coins, from back in my days as a street musician), and the PowerBook G4 itself.
So, I guess I'm hoping to get a feel for what you folks think a fair asking price for my PowerBook is. Here's the rough specs:

PowerBook G4 / 500 mHz
Upgraded to 40-gig HDD (sweet super-fast IBM drive with 8-megs cache RAM) and 512 megs RAM (from stock 20-gig HDD and 256 megs RAM)
Apple-replaced DVD-ROM drive and case-top (trackpad, clicker, etc.)
External Firewire case for 2.5" HDDs / with 20-gig HDD installed
Tiny little optical scrollwheel mouse w/ two buttons
All CD's that came with it new, books, papers, etc.

Any ideas what I might get for this setup? If I can, I'd like to sell this one, pay MBNA off entirely, and then work like crazy over the summer and try to save enough money (combined with my fall student loans) to buy (outright, no more loans for me!) a new/refurb/used PowerBook G4 15" or 17"... which I could then use for my fall film editing classes.
So, again, any ideas would be really appreciated.
Thanks,
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G4from128k
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  04:49:56
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My loan balance is just about $2,700 and climbing at 24% interest all too quickly.
24% is totally excessive! You might be able to lower the interest rate by finding another source of credit. For example, another credit card company might be willing to let you pay-off the Apple loan by putting it on a new credit card. Or, talk to a credit councilling service about debt consolidation.

Please get help -- selling off assets to pay down loans is no fun.

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Unknown_K
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USA
602 Posts
Posted - 15 May 2003 :  05:57:26
Do the smart thing, let them repo the computer, take it back and say you can keep it. They cant make you pay on an item you returned (check before you do this, and not with the loansharks you got the loan from).

I have to ask were you making minimum payments on the loan? 24% on a computer loan is insane, hell you could have used a vesa/mastercard and got a much lower rate. If you owe 800 more then your initial purchase peice and you have been paying for 1.5 years doesnt that tell you that a: you royally ****ed up, b: your never going to pay it off, c: its not worth anywhere near what you still owe, d: its cheaper just to get a new computer.

I assume the lown was using your computer for collateral and if you take the computer back your probably done with the loan (you lose what you paid but big deal). It might also screw your credit up a little but considering they are calling you at home to make payments its already bad.

Walk away and learn from your mistakes.

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Unknown_K
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USA
602 Posts
Posted - 15 May 2003 :  05:59:19
Let me state this one more time... DO NOT PAY ANOTHER CENT ON THIS LOST CAUSE. DONT SELL YOUR BELONGINGS AT A HUGE LOSS TO PISS IT DOWN THIS SHITHOLE.

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Flash
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Australia
637 Posts
Posted - 15 May 2003 :  07:47:25
Ah yes, I bet you got suckered by a deal wehere you sign a few papers and next thing you know you're walking out of the shop (in a bit of a daze) with a brand new 'Book under your arm. "Don't pay anything now" they said.

And now you're f**ked by excessive interest!

I tend to agree with G4 and Unknown. Find that loan contract and try to find a (legal) way out of it, even if it means handing the PowerBook back. Getting a credit card is also a good idea. Locally, credit cards get charged about 15% which is obviously better than 24% !! Also try getting a legit loan with a bank or credit union (as opposed to a loan shark or 'finance' company)

How old are you? Do you need to worry about your credit rating yet? A few late payments doesn't make a bad credit rating. You only get that when they (the finance company) actually report you to a credit authority - but don't let it get to that. If you are able to make a lump sum repayment, it will probably help your rating anyway.

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Unknown_K
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USA
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  08:42:47
I have used 6 month "same as cash" at places like bestbuy, just made sure it was paid off at least a month before it had to be, because they kill you with a major interest payment if your .001 seconds late with that last penny you owe.

Most of these loans are basically setup so they **** you with crazy interest and feed off the poor people who cant afford the product to begin with (hence the 24% interest to somebody who couldnt afford it). They will threaten you with all kinds of crap, and nothing hurts poor people like the "bad credit rating" they hold over your head.

The last thing they want is the computer back, they want you to keep making minimum payments for the rest of your natural life (which means you will owe more and more every month).

Oh when you take it back rip out the upgrades, their yours.


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Kady Mae
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USA
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  13:47:42
{{{{{{{{{{{{Space Boy}}}}}}}}}}}

Since you've made late payments, your chances of getting a 0% balence transfer are shot.

See if you can't find a low interest BT offer and work it from there if you really want to keep it.

Sell the iBook and get your payments current. See if you can sell your older PB 1400 (do you still have it?)

Do you use your car a lot? If not, sell it.

You must get that balence killed or under control as soon as you can -- don't f'up your credit.

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Unknown_K
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  14:42:22
I would imagine the car is more important then the laptop, unless he has more then 1 car.

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SpaceBoy
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  16:52:30
Hey everyone- thanks bunches and bunches for the help figuring this out! I'll address a few things:
quote:
24% is totally excessive! You might be able to lower the interest rate by finding another source of credit

I agree that 24% is nuts, but that's what I'm stuck with. I've tried applying for other sources of credit, but it seems that either the 'other sources' are just various divisions of MBNA (they seem to have their hands in everyones pockets!), or are only willing to offer me 'secured' creditcards, or cards with similarly insane interest rates. Seriously, I must get offers for 23.99% interest-rate cards every week in the mail... sheesh.
quote:
How old are you? Do you need to worry about your credit rating yet? A few late payments doesn't make a bad credit rating. You only get that when they (the finance company) actually report you to a credit authority - but don't let it get to that. If you are able to make a lump sum repayment, it will probably help your rating anyway.

Well, I'm 21 (though I had just turned 20 when I took out the loan for the PBG4), and I'm starting to seriously worry about f*cking up my credit rating. My sister is adament that I get this resolved immeadiately, as she was in a similar jam when she was my age, and it's been haunting her ever since- she's only a few years older then me, but it's making it really hard for her and her husband to buy a house.
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Sell the iBook and get your payments current. See if you can sell your older PB 1400 (do you still have it?) Do you use your car a lot? If not, sell it. You must get that balence killed or under control as soon as you can -- don't f'up your credit.

That's exactly what I've got in mind. Yeah, I do still have the PB1400, and I'll be putting it up for sale on eBay this weekend, along with anything else I can think of that might be worth anything. As for my car, well, I think that selling it is the only real solution at the moment. The way things are right now, if I don't get this PowerBook loan thing worked out, I'll never be able to keep paying that off and still be able to afford car insurance (not to mention all the misc. costs of car ownership). Really, the bottom line is that, while I really want a car, I don't really neeeeeeed one- I live within walking distance of both my school and my job, so I can get along without one.
So, here's one more question regarding my PowerBook... If I call the loan folks up today, and say that I just can't maintain the payments, and I want to return the 'Book (minus my out-of-pocket upgrades, of course), what will they say? My boss says that it's very important that I signed up for the loan while I was still under 21 - the contract may not be legaly binding, but I'm not sure about that. What do you think they would say to that? Would they try to hold me accountable for the intrest that's accrued in the time I've had the loan?
Again, thanks tons and tons for all the help and advice- I'll be sure to keep you all informed of any interesting developments.
Wish me luck,
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G4from128k
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USA
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  17:48:18
Regarding returning the computer to the loan sharks, I would be concerned about the effect of a repo on your credit rating. I don't know how such things are scored, but it might be viewed as a default on the loan.

Perhaps if you sell the car, you can pay down a good chunk of the loan. They use the money you would have spent on the car (insurance, gas, maintinance, etc.) to accelerate the monthly payments on the remainder of the loan.

Anyway, get more advice from others about all these issues and prepare a budget for yourself.

Good Luck!

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maclover5
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  18:18:24
Good tips, G4. And I'll say that I agree with what everyone else here has said. 24% intrest really is excessive. Next time it may be a good idea to just pay for it yourself methinks. That way you can just walk out the door with the 'Book in hand, and not worry about a thing.

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oldmacman
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  18:39:58
Whenever I've been tempted to buy something on credit (in my case, a loan from my parents), I've always remembered something my grandpa told me. He said, "Ben, there's only one thing you need to know about money. You can't spend money you don't have. Sooner or later, it will come back to haunt you." Neither one of my living grandparents has a credit card; they write checks or use a debit card. And though they have always been solidly middle-class, they have never had many financial difficulties. No run-ins with the loan sharks, no car payments, nothing. My parents took my grandpa's advice to heart during the first years we lived in our house; we lived frugally for several years, but my parents paid back a twenty year loan in eleven years.

Next time you're tempted to buy the latest and the greatest machine, reject the thought entirely. Yeah, it's nice to have a computer you can brag about, but not at such a high cost (in the economics sense of the word) to you. An older machine might not get the job done as quickly, but you won't find yourself with payments you can't afford.

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Unknown_K
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USA
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  19:51:24
You have to live within your means. I know alot of people who spend more then they make at time, and if they get laid off they are in serious hurt within months.

Dont buy a car without a nice down payment, if you cant come up with a down payment then dont buy it (same for a house). Make sure that not more then 60% of your paycheck is needed for your standard monthly bills, and save 4-6 months of paychecks just in case something comes up.

I notice alot of young people get in trouble with credit cards or loans because they have no idea how to manage money since their parents just paid for everything they got. Once you have to pay your own bills by working you quickly realise that its not as easy at it looks, especially when your not making the kind of money your parents are making.

Judging by the interest rate you got for the loan they considered you high risk anyway. The return rate for lenders is in the few percent because alot default on their loans, and the few that dont end up paying for the rest of them.

Words of advice, dont worry about bragging about what you own, if thats all you care about you will always be broke and in debt. Buy what you need and save a few buck. Once you do this you will find your interest rates will drop and your credit line will be higher. The people who get the best rates are the ones who dont need the loan to begin with. With every budget something will always come up you have to spend money on, just a fact of life.

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Kady Mae
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USA
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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  20:47:50
One thing about selling the Car plus the iBook and the PB1400 and throwing that at the loan, may mean that you tear a huge chunk into the principle and make your total monthly payment that much less.

At that point you end up with a "late" comment on your credit report, but over time as you stay current, things aren't so bad.

As for the contract you signed ... you're over 18, and were legally an adult, so ...

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Posted - 15 May 2003 :  21:01:45
yeah... that's an insane rate for a loan on a computer of all things....


I'd suggest that you make sure you can get by without your car before selling it!!

for me... being only 15... outright cash and parents are my only source of things....

I wonder what would happen...

.ME walks into CompUSA with $1500
.ME walks out of CompUSA with g4 Tower.

would they actually do that???

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Unknown_K
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Posted - 16 May 2003 :  01:55:37
Would they let you spend your cash? hell yea they would. Its not illegal like cigs.

Of course they wouldnt even try to get you credit because of your age.

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Posted - 16 May 2003 :  02:02:11
My thoughts exactly, Unknown.

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Posted - 16 May 2003 :  05:31:55
I don't want to put anymore pressure on you, SpaceBoy, but you also need to realize how important credit ratings are becoming in this country. More and more places are using them as a generalized "reputation score." Credit scores affect more than just how easily you can buy a house or a get a car loan. Some auto insurance companies use credit scores to set car insurance rates or to deny coverage (people with bad credit tend to have more accidents). And some employers now use credit scores in hiring decisions -- poor credit score = irresponsible = don't hire. I'm not saying that every company does this, but it does seem to be getting more prevalent.

SpaceBoy, I am sure that you can fix this problem. $2,700 is not that much. Sell the car because you don't need it and I'd bet that yearly car expenses are enough to pay off the loan fairly quickly. If the money from the car is insufficient, then I'd maybe sell one or two of your 3 laptops (I'd keep the G4 because you need that for classes). Put yourself on a strict budget -- no fun and no toys until the loan is paid off.

If you do this, I am sure that you can "make ends meet" and start repairing your reputation.

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Posted - 16 May 2003 :  06:10:04
quote:

yeah... that's an insane rate for a loan on a computer of all things....


I'd suggest that you make sure you can get by without your car before selling it!!

for me... being only 15... outright cash and parents are my only source of things....

I wonder what would happen...

.ME walks into CompUSA with $1500
.ME walks out of CompUSA with g4 Tower.

would they actually do that???

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