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Macintrash New Member Australia 68 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 05:35:35 I just got a FREE Synoptics Lattisnet Model 3000 Concentrator for my new mac network. And a free Industrial PC IAC-C800A case, which will probably house my performa hack (which is almost complete!) I also found a 486 Overdrive PC with 65mbs of 30 pin ram (which was quite a find, as I beleive those machines were quite rare). Believe it or not, all of these machines are in perfect working condition, and all from a BIN!!! outside a charity computer place near where I live. Does anyone else have any of these machines, and have done something interesting with them?? PLease let us know. Cheers.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 05:59:59 cool... are you planning on running NT or NT server on that 486? if you have a big enough hard drive and your network is mixed macs and PCs NT server can work MIRACLES for you Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 09:11:08 Ever hear of OS/2?
G4from128k Full Member USA 873 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 09:17:23 quote: Believe it or not, all of these machines are in perfect working condition, and all from a BIN!!! outside a charity computer place near where I live. That bin sounds like a potential gold mine. Have you ever talked to the people at that charity computer place? You might convince them to accept Macs or other equipment that they might not usually take if you offer them a small incentive or do some volunteer work at the place. Happy Dumpster Diving! G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 15:44:00 That's quite a find! What size are the individual 30-pin SIMMS? The biggest I've ever found were 4 Mb, but I've heard they go larger. I have a 486DX/66 that has Red Hat Linux 6.2 installed on it. 6.2 is really picky on what video card is in there and sometimes on the chipset. It would be best to check the HCL on Red Hat's website. Sadly, this box is just sitting around right now. It will probably be back into service whenever I get into a more permanent residence (with cable or DSL) Then I've got an IBM PS/2 Model 60 luggable tower (it has a handle(!)) It's like a 286/16(!!) but it can run AIX with a big enough hard drive. The only trouble with the hard drive is it's ESDI(! hard to find) I've also got a PS/2 386/25 desktop workstation which also has MCA. I downloaded a DOS TCP/IP boot disk from somewhere and could copy files from my PIII! The Lightning Stalker Performa 631CD, 7.5.5 LC III Mail Server Q610 Q650 6400/180 40/1.6G/512k L2/enet/video-in/TV 7600/120 '604/233, 80/1.2G & 4G, 9.2.2 (Main Mac) Lady Smith Apples: Apple IIc 5.25" 2 Apple IIe
smd3 Starting Member USA 16 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 17:06:56 quote: cool... are you planning on running NT or NT server on that 486? if you have a big enough hard drive and your network is mixed macs and PCs NT server can work MIRACLES for you Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" Could you elaborate on that a bit? I've got NT4 workstation, or would I need server?
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 18:04:24 Lightning Stalker: They're probably 8 or 16 meggers...drools Perfect for a Quadra 700. As for the Overdrive, why is it rare? I have one, and a friend of mine has a bunch of 'em. I've seen Overdrives everywhere! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 18:23:29 486 overdrives (think they are 83mhz pentiums) are not exactly common. But when a pentium motherboard and chip are like giveaways these days whats the point? I have a motherboard collecting dust that has an amd 486/133 that oc's to 160 with no problems (40x4) and thats as fast if not faster then an intel 486 overdrive. As far as 30 pin simms go we have the following: 1mb 4mb 8mb (rare as hell) 16mb I have 4x16mb 30 pin simms in my q950 among other ram.
Macintrash New Member Australia 68 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 18:32:54 Yer, that bin is like a gold mine. Ive got sooo many macs form these, including a working Colour classic (which had a broken floppy drive), and Quadra (which had nothing wrong with it at all! As for those simms. I dont know how big they are. Ill check and get back to you soon (but theres a lot of simms!!!) Does anyone have one of those Synoptics network hubs, and the Industrail PC, does anyone have any of those types of machines? Cheers
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 18:38:07 Ah, right. I thought you meant the 66 Mhz Overdrive. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 20:03:16 Well I like NT because it's easier, works with more stuff and is faster than alot of older nixes on older computers.... OS/2 didn't have a mac server component did it? Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
mac-man6 Junior Member Canada 217 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 22:36:06 NT can network with Macs?. Can it become a mac file server and preserve the resource fork?. Editor of the printed word, Ministry of 68k Truths (mini6) ------------------ PowerCD, SE 4/40, Classic II 4/40, IIx 8/160, IIvi 8/260, PB 170 8/80, LC 475 20/160, LC 575 36/160, Quadra 650 32/260, iMac 333 160/6G How you like d'em apples?!
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 23:56:34 quote: NT can network with Macs?. Can it become a mac file server and preserve the resource fork?. Editor of the printed word, Ministry of 68k Truths (mini6) ------------------ PowerCD, SE 4/40, Classic II 4/40, IIx 8/160, IIvi 8/260, PB 170 8/80, LC 475 20/160, LC 575 36/160, Quadra 650 32/260, iMac 333 160/6G How you like d'em apples?! Yeah, NT Server can act as an AppleShare server by installing Services For Macintosh. Dunno about whether it preserves resouce forks though. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Gothikon Full Member Australia 537 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 03:38:38 quote: Well I like NT because it's easier, works with more stuff and is faster than alot of older nixes on older computers.... OS/2 didn't have a mac server component did it? Yes but what does NT also have? A windows component I would also be highly surprised if NT is faster than any *nix on an old PC... It's true however that NT would be easier to set up for the average user. -------- LC 2, LC 3, Q605, Perf 638, Colour Classic (160 603e) 6100, 7200, PTP 225 (Quad 604), PM 9600, G4 Cube
mac-man6 Junior Member Canada 217 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 05:37:58 It's seems like it can support mac files including both forks but you have to the shared volume on a NTSF partition. http://is-it-true.org/nt/atips/atips312.shtml Editor of the printed word, Ministry of 68k Truths (mini6) ------------------ PowerCD, Mac HD 20, SE, Classic II, IIx, IIvi, PB 170, LC 475, LC 575, Quadra 650, Performa 5200, iMac 333 How you like d'em apples?!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 05:51:06 Truly, to do anything good with NT, you basically need an NTFS partition... Yeah, it always preserves the resource forks. NT 4 workstation ran wonderfully onmy 486/66 with only 24 MB of RAM.... I'm certain that it could do nearly everything my TiBook does... (had I more software for it that is....) It's just like any older computer... you just have to know what to put on it... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 07:09:34 Definately. As far as Windows goes, NTFS is the future. No-one who sells brand new PCs with '2k or XP uses FAT32 anymore do they? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 14:53:31 YEAH! NTFS Forever!!! (right after HFS+ of course) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 15:52:33 Of course. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 16:51:06 Always, I will like the way that Windows NT domains work and I have yet to set one up myself with more than one workstation/server but I'll want to do it soon. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 17:02:49 Cool! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 17:09:31 Yeah... the workstation on that day was the iMac runnin VPC Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 17:11:40 How long did it take to start up Windows NT? Forever i imagine, seeing as though it's VPC. What version of VPC were you running, anyway? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 17:17:20 Being that I was on my iMac with VPC4... It was about like... the same as my 486/66 with 24 MB of RAM... pretty fast usually... but still... having the 120 MHz Acer with 48MBs of REAL RAM working with NT would have been much cooler also.... (NT didn't like the network cards I had) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 17:46:25 quote: NT 4 workstation ran wonderfully onmy 486/66 with only 24 MB of RAM.... I'm certain that it could do nearly everything my TiBook does... (had I more software for it that is....) I'm assuming you weren't running SP6a. That has a way of slowing things down. quote: As far as Windows goes, NTFS is the future. No-one who sells brand new PCs with '2k or XP uses FAT32 anymore do they? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Some people don't want to get involved with the permissions. Little kids like to lock everyone out of the hard drive using permissions. quote: Definately. As far as Windows goes, NTFS is the future. Just make sure you defragment with Diskeeper. Preferably the latest build of 7.0 quote: I would also be highly surprised if NT is faster than any *nix on an old PC... It's not. It also doesn't have as many features, but it's WAY easier to use.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 18:01:16 NTFS really isn't that bad... it's just the same as OSX and we all deal with that and the problems with file ownership it tosses at us... alot of the time my applications folder doesn't belong to me... or the places where my iTunes and such are stored... I wasn't running servicepacks... what do the NT4 SPs do anyway? as it is I'm not even sure HOW to get/run the servicepacks.... I'll run the version of defrag that came with my NT, and I'll only run it when I have spare time and bored and when I need to... It works better that way "features?" I'm certain that alot of the nixies when you are a great geek could do more than NT... it's just that NT usually supports my hardware whereas when I ran nix on the 486 I had... I couldn't use my printer OR my sound card. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 18:13:51 Cory, you get 'em off CDs, or d/l them from the Internet, and then run the setup program. It takes care of the rest. Dunno what it does though. For the record, i have an original M$ Service Pak 4 CD. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 19:59:11 Yeah... it's just too big for me and I usually don't run NT on computers that have the internet anyway so I'll be OK Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 00:14:29 I swear to god that cory must be in the MS pay, considering he pumps WNT server and .net 2003 like there is no tomorrow. the cory conspiracy theroy CCC Commander Promotion: 19 Mar 2003� 13:06:30 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, an SE/30, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 00:36:22 I love windows 2000 for light server and workstation work, but cant get away from win9x for gaming. 2k is very stable and fast even on older hardware.
smd3 Starting Member USA 16 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 18:36:11 I'm having trouble finding a copy of NT4 server. There's no way I'm gonna put down cash on it, since MS no longer supports it at all... I have workstation, but I want to check out these Mac services.
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 19:28:22 quote: I swear to god that cory must be in the MS pay, considering he pumps WNT server and .net 2003 like there is no tomorrow. the cory conspiracy theroy Hey! Nothing wrong with NT4! I have it on Ye Olde K6-233. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 20:02:05 quote: NTFS really isn't that bad... it's just the same as OSX and we all deal with that and the problems with file ownership it tosses at us... Maybe we do, but grandma, grampa, and farmer Meade just get confused by it. quote: I wasn't running servicepacks... what do the NT4 SPs do anyway? as it is I'm not even sure HOW to get/run the servicepacks.... They're full of improvements, support newer hardware and make NT more stable and sometimes add more features. You should be running at least SP3. 1&2 are less stable. SP5 or 6a IMHO should be used on systems above 200 MHz as they slow things down. Certain software packages won't install without a later service pack. You can download them right from Micro$oft.com. Just do a search from the home page. quote: I'll run the version of defrag that came with my NT, and I'll only run it when I have spare time and bored and when I need to... It works better that way It doesn't come with defrag. You need Diskeeper! quote: "features?" I'm certain that alot of the nixies when you are a great geek could do more than NT... I know. That's why I said NT is WAY easier to use.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 20:09:38 You must not have used dotNET server because IT comes with a defrag... thanks ML5... I know you know that I'm not bein paid by M$ to advertise their products... (I'd tell y'all if I was though...) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 20:24:21 Duh! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 20:28:01 Besides... I don't mess with the files on my PCs as much as on my Mac... Mac Needs Defrag!!!! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 20:37:55 quote: You must not have used dotNET server because IT comes with a defrag... iThought we were talking about NT4. As in when it was still called NT :-/
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 20:49:10 I want to say that one of the NTs came with a defrag also... Maybe I kinda bodged it in there from Millenium or maybe it does come with the server.... it's about dotNET also though "because I said so" Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 20:59:35 You're right, though. I haven't used dotNET, which is now called Windows Server 2003. I've heard it runs faster than W2KSRV.
TheDoctor Starting Member 29 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 21:09:59 NT 4 Server is nice, but Win2k Server Pro beats it all to heck. I do wish they would have kept the original name for 2k, though (NT 5). 2k Server has made my job as an tech coordinator for my school much easier. Cory5412, to get the NT SPs, go to windowsupdate.com. It should scan your computer and show you all (well, actually some) of the updates you need. If you are planning on using NT 4 to do anything on the 'net, you should be running SP6a as it fixes a ton of vulnerabilities. You should also be aware that NT 4 now has at least one serious vulnerability that M$ has declared to be unrepairable. (Some days, I wish I knew nothing of M$ operating systems.) OS X forever! Homeland Defense Analyst http://www.inourowndefense.com
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 May 2003 : 21:43:45 Thanks TheDoctor, for that good info. TLS: I have used the RC1 dotnet (now known as winserve 2k3) and it is pretty fast (was) on my p-200 with 128 MB of RAM...' I don't run NT right now, but if I do (because I have legal liscences) I'll do that. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"

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